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Post  chiefmark on Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:16 pm

I realise this topic may have been discussed on other forums but that's there and this is here. I want to know from people who have spent time in the woods and seen their fair share of wildlife, what their thoughts are on what would likely happen when a Bigfoot came across another predator or vice-versa. What do bears, cougars, wolves etc do in most encounters with humans? Who would back down first in a fierce encounter with a Squatch? How common are sightings of other large mammals? Obviously we're guessing at BF behaviour a lot but please post your thoughts. Thanks folks.
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Post  ***** on Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:48 pm

My view is that Sasquatch is the apex predator in it's ecosystem. The only rival I would imagine would be a the largest of grizzly and brown bears, or polar bears if any of their southern territory overlapped with Squatchland. That would be only in one on one encounters.

My thoughts are that Sasquatches travel and hunt in groups, as other primates, and that their ability to throw objects, and coordinate strategically to achieve desired outcomes, set them apart from all other predators, excepting wolves. I think they operate much like wolves, in fact, but are well beyond in terms of ability, intelligence, and tactics.

Imagine how much more agile Sasquatches are than the puny humans depicted in this video. It could help you paint a picture of their potential capabilities in a physical sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dmW7GVnVx0

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Post  Mr.Lee on Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:51 pm

I think evolution gave bigfoots their size for this very reason. Throw some intelligence behind a creature that is 8-10ft tall & 600-1000 lbs & I'm sure they would have the upper hand. Now if a predator is protecting its young I think it will take its chances against the big guy.

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Post  CMcMillan on Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:04 pm

I think it is the Apex Predator persay.

I think it is a level of Predator like a Bear or Cougar. I wouldn't put it Directly on top.
I think if it was ontop it would be more violent to Humans
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Post  Mr.Lee on Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:14 pm

I don't think its violent towards humans because it knows size & strength doesn't go very far against guns. I have no doubt they have watched humans hunt before & have seen what those boom sticks can do. Or maybe we look so weak they don't even want to waste their time with us.

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What about injured humans, or those obviously without those boomsticks?

Post  ***** on Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:43 pm

I think it has more to do with we remind them most of themselves. They are curious about us, and hunting parties firing weapons all over the place probably would be avoided, but there are often humans, even small women and children that get lost, or injured who are not exploited. The don't predate on humans. There is no verifiable evidence of that. We walk alike, and look alike to a great degree. As close as they are willing to approach and study us, I really don't believe they wish to do us harm. Maybe I'm wishful, all the encounters in the evidence record say different.


I can't imagine who I'd place on top of them as Apex. That's why they are on top for me.

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Post  DPinkerton on Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:12 pm

I do not think I would classify bigfoot as a predator. Nor would I a bear. Aren't they predominantly fish and berry eaters? I imagine bigfoot would be much the same. Not like the pack hunters that wolves and other carnivores are.

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Post  StankApe on Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:15 pm

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Post  Tzieth on Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:28 pm

CMcMillan wrote:I think it is the Apex Predator persay.

I think it is a level of Predator like a Bear or Cougar. I wouldn't put it Directly on top.
I think if it was ontop it would be more violent to Humans

Well, the undisputed Apex Predator over all the earth, is the Orca. From all recorded history there were only several reported attacks on humans and none were fatal. (I am not speaking of the captive Orca's that had meltdowns on their trainers.) And all those sevral attacks were retaliatory. Either there was a failed attempt to hunt one, or the victims got too close to a calf.

However, they will prey on ungulates that are swimming between islands such as elk or moose. And according to this (http://www.seaworld.org/infobooks/KillerWhale/dietkw.html) "Fishes, squids, seals, sea lions, walruses, birds, sea turtles, otters, penguins, cetaceans (both mysticete and odontocete), polar bears, reptiles, and even a moose -- they have all been found in the stomach contents of killer whales."

Yet they seem to recognize humans as an equal intelligence and not a food source. I have heard it argued that if they had opposable thumbs, they would have been colonizing stars while we were still in the stone age.

If sasquatch also has that same philosophy, this could be why they are not reported to attack humans other than intimidation tactics...

But then again there is always the possibility that there are no reports because the human that is attacked is ripped apart. lol
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Post  StankApe on Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:06 am

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Post  Mr.Lee on Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:11 am

StankApe wrote:Ummm, well if you omit man, I would say the Apex predator on the earth is the sperm whale....... they dive deeper, fear nothing, and are bigger than any Orca.... though, I could see how one would forget them...


Man is THE Apex predator on this world of ours. we run the big critter show. (though bacteria and beetles run the underworld)

You took the words out of my mouth. The sperm whale & giant squid are definitely titans.

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Post  Tzieth on Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:05 am

Yeah but don't they only eat squids?

It wasn't mentioned but we now know Orca eat Great Whites.

Yes I know man is Apex, but this goes back to thumbs lol
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Post  StankApe on Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:58 am

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Post  chiefmark on Sun Sep 02, 2012 4:05 pm

I suppose Bigfoot is us without our level of intelligence. What I mean is, it's their size that keeps them alive, not their brains. They don't have to run down prey like we did initially, they have the strength to wrestle and beat whatever they're after to death, as shown in the well known hogs report. We could never do that really, so we used tools instead.

Is BF the king of the woods though? In a hypothetical fight to the death between the biggest bear and the biggest BF, who would win? The bear has more ammunition with its teeth and claws, but a squatch might outwit it?

Both seem to avoid conflict for the most part, and compared to animals like cougars and wolves, seem of a relative calm disposition.

Great comparison on the parkour. What those guys can do on even ground, BF could surely do on uneven. The reports of them outrunning dogs, climbing trees, stepping over carriageways in 2 bounds and running up the steepest embankments. How could we ever follow?
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Post  Bigfoot Bode on Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:41 am

There have been sightings and claims that everything out there would avoid bigfoot. One individual was in Alaska in a boat on a river and saw a large Grizzly down by the water. I can't remember if it was eating or just foraging. This guys said the bear stopped what it was doing and sniffed the air and proceed to run away. He thought that was weird and wondered what spooked it. Then he saw a bigfoot on the treeline about 20 feet back. Another story is that a family of bigfoots saved a guy from drowning and brought him to shore. He was injured and bleeding and a couple of bigfoots smeared their feces in a circle around the guy to protect him from predators. This is also the theory that bigfoot can emit energy or infrasound to incapacitate or scare off enemies. Who knows what bigfoot is capable of but I would think that the reason predators usually don't like humans started with bigfoot and the Native Americans. Who knows? afro
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Post  Papa Bear on Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:11 pm

there is already a natural pecking order established eons ago, dont you think so? All the creatures you have original described, i believe really try to avoid each other. they are trying to survive *not* show each other up like humans. they ain't got nuttin' to prove. they all have a common goal: forage, pro-create, survive. putting *modern* humans on the top the apex, to me is a joke. no gun, just getting whatever you can to make a tool or weapons from natural resources. then the ball game changes. you won't go out looking to kill a bear or cougar with a tree-limb. you'll respect that animal and finding something more ascertainable- that won't end your life. if humans are out in the woods and catch a bacteria 'bug' we are rendered useless. we get a splinter- can't use that hand!!! without protection from the elements- hypothermia sets in. you see without driving your vehicle with a/c and heater and going down to big 5 to pick up ammo for your firearm, and then going to the store to pick up some food to eat. if you take all that away in my opinion the human apex theory is just a myth.
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Post  StankApe on Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:18 pm

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Post  CMcMillan on Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:26 pm

StankApe wrote:Dude, we became the apex predator wayyyyy before we had guns, we hunted mammoths and sabre toothed tigers with sharpened sticks, and teamwork.

really Stank

Please go out in the Jungle and deal with a pack of wild Hyenas with the sharpened stick or a pack of wolves.
We are not the only animal that does team work or hunts in packs.


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Post  Papa Bear on Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:45 pm

i’m speaking of modern man…..dude like now. not 10k years ago. you put the majority of people in a forest environment they won’t survive. the humans of the time period your speaking of and modern man is 2 total different topics, we’ve lost for the most part those skill sets and have adapted new ones to survive in the world we have created. if you were to drop a person from today’s time into a confrontation with a brown bear/cougar or any other large predator- not in a group setting- 1 person and the predator felt threatened, they would destroy you. we are more vulnerable they your apex theory presents itself in todays world. the question presented by chiefmark- if a bigfoot came across another predator what would happen and what do these animals do when encountered by humans and vice-versa, avoid each other.
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Post  StankApe on Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:10 pm

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Post  CMcMillan on Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:29 pm

StankApe wrote:But that is also based on the assumption that technology isn't natural.... it is. We have evolved to such an extent that we no longer must deal with things in a "mano a beasto" manner. We let our brains figure out ways to do this.

I think we have been very successful at it. all the anti-human rhetoric in the world doesn't change the fact that we are the dominant large species on the planet (I specified large cuz it's really bacteria that run the world....but that's a different discussion)

Nothing can touch man for adaptability and resource domination.

But see the advances in techonology is what makes us the APEX predator you speak of.
We develope better ways to trap and kill our prey.
We are still one of the most vulnerable animals on the planet.
We don't have fur to protect us in the cold....We have fire to warm us.
We don't have claws to defend or Kill our prey.... We have developed tools.
We have limited eyesight at night.... we developed Fire to protect us from the night.

Its our technology and advances that put us at the top.

But placing a Human with a pointy stick in the woods or Jungle would not last to long against all the other predators.
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Post  StankApe on Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:06 pm

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Post  YSPR on Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:21 pm

IMHO

Humans are the apex predator; it doesn’t matter if we go into the woods with nothing or fully geared up. Our intellect will provide us the edge to overcome every other animal on the planet. I’m not saying that we are going to go toe to toe with a polar bear or a lion, but then again, animals use their intellect / instinct to more easily kill their prey. We have our brain and opposing thumbs for a reason, just like they have fangs and claws. Obviously the learning curve is steep and most humans could not survive a direct assault by a large animal, but the human race does adapt by using its best asset (intellect) to compensate for its lesser physical attributes. This is the history of the world as we know it!

If Bigfoot is out there, they may be the Apex predator (residing in the forest) especially f they are as intelligent as we make them out to be. So the other animals would have learned over time to avoid them, not because Bigfoot actively hunts other predators, but because they are no easy targets.
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Post  StankApe on Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:38 pm

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Post  CMcMillan on Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:45 pm

StankApe wrote:if you place a lion in a steel mill, he won't survive very long either.......

Ah but see thats a Man Made Situation. That is the Technology that is our advancement.
I have to ask you all then Why did Romans put Lions and other big cats in the Gladitorial games with people?
The % of people that died at the lions paws was higher than the lions deaths in such Games. So if we were truely the Apex of survival woudn't the people been able to kill the beast?
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