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The Ketchum Report

Post  BurdenOfProof on Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:57 pm

What do the bigfoot proponants think about this whole debacle?

Should a person offering wild claims but zero evidence be accepted and hyped up by the bigfoot community?

The Sykes study on the other hand should definately have the support of the bigfoot community. They do not claim anything wild, they give a timetable of what to expect. No smoke and mirrors, or playful families of 5.



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Post  GT3Paul on Sun Sep 02, 2012 1:57 am

I dont agree, think think Melba's blurring stick structures were some pretty damn rock hard evidence. I dont know what kind of evidence it was for, but
I found the sticks believable because I have seen sticks in nature also. Only mine were clear and in focus
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Post  scarletme111 on Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:36 am

the longer we have to wait for any kind of result the worse the imagine on the whole thing gets. I really want the ketchum report to come through and be everything she says it is. but Im tired of waiting Sad
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Post  StankApe on Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:58 am

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Post  scarletme111 on Sun Sep 02, 2012 4:01 am

that sucks i was hoping this the paper would be some huge breakthrough
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Post  StankApe on Sun Sep 02, 2012 4:28 am

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Post  scarletme111 on Sun Sep 02, 2012 4:44 am

it will be interesting to see what happens with the ketchum report once stuff starts comming out of the sykes one
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Post  SasquaiNation on Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:52 am

StankApe wrote:She was her own worst enemy..... first she got ahead of herself, which is okay , she's new to this and was probably enthusiastic, but then she hired a publicist(who,IMO, only seemed to make it worse) then she came out with the "braided horse mane" story(with associated stick photo) and the apple fell off her tree.

When you combine that with all the NDA's, associated new societies being created and the ongoing "soon" statements..... It's really hard to give her much credit. I will be honestly surprised if this "paper" ever gets published at all, much less in a legit journal.


I'm with you on this. She hasn't handled herself very well at all. If Sykes can give a timeline, why can't Ketchum?
I fully expect Dr. Sykes to publish first.

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Post  Tzieth on Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:28 pm

I think the judgement on Kethchum is a little unfair. Her whole project was meant to be private. Even when the first mention that she was doing it on "Coast to Coast am", she herself did not mention it. The guy who was the main guest did and she only then spoke of it and she was vague about it.

Basically everything we think we know did not come from Ketchum. It came from Robert Lindsay and his "Sources". That guy is no help to anyone and I think he hurts sasquatch research more than he helps it. This is not freedom of speech nor freedom of press. If a program is private and privately funded then we do not have the right to know about it but they should have a right to privacy.

Before he zoned in on Melba Ketchum he was targeting Adrian Erickson and his "Sasquatch: The Quest" documentary that Lindsay said contained actual and clear footage of Sasquatches and supposed Habitation sights. and the claims kept getting more and more incredible. Then suddenly the Erickson Project website was taken down due to supposed infighting (According to Lindsay) and the project was halted. I blame Lindsay for that one as well.

As for her publicist? What choice did she really have? If people are going to pry into her work and then fabricate or twist things, how could she continue her research and dispel rumors at the same time? I mean look at Lindsay's "Report" history.. It seems like if he can't dig anything up, he makes crap up and says he got it from a "Source." Then plays the "I was misinformed" card when it turns out to not be true.

And the majority of judgments that criticize or glorify Ketchums or are coming from what Lindsay says... That just doesn't seem right to me. Neutral
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Post  SasquaiNation on Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:48 pm

Basically everything we think we know did not come from Ketchum.

Ketchum should have done what most professionals do if something is private, don't say anything at all. Rumor and speculation would still be out there but nothing would be tied to her.
The Dr. herself teases people with her own evidence of Bigfoot (videos, pictures) and then goes on to say she won't share because it's just a hobby or that people are mean, so why bother. It really is kind of silly on her part.

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Post  Tzieth on Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:24 pm

True, but I think it goes back to why she hired a publicist... She is dependent on people giving her the samples. Let s say just for the sake of argument that she truly does have a Sasquatch preserve, and hell, the things really do braid her horses hair and the stick structures are true. No doubt she would have all the DNA she needs from a place like that. But if her research has turned into "How many types or are they all the same?". Then she would need samples from all over. If that is the case, then Lindsay could not be ignored with his claims. He would have to be countered. If what he says has the ability to sway her donors to not give her their samples, then her work would be done-for.

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Post  StankApe on Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:39 pm

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Post  SasquaiNation on Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:49 pm

That was another big mistake by Ketchum, having a publicist. Ketchum charged large for the DNA testing, so nobody donated anything.
Changing parameters after the fact is speculation and I haven't read anything that would indicate that could be true. Dr. Sykes is collecting samples from "all over" and he has a very rigid timeline regardless of that.
If Ketchum has a paper, who knows when or if it will be published. If it sounds like I'm being hard on her, I am. Her "soon" rhetoric got tiring and I think she's in way over her head and under qualified to carry this study out to fruition.
That's my personal opinion, and if I'm wrong I'll be more than happy to apologize.

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Post  StankApe on Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:03 pm

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Re: The Ketchum Report

Post  CMcMillan on Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:36 am

StankApe wrote:Not to sound mean, but she's just a vet who verified people were gettin what they paid for ..... Sykes is a PHD and has done lot's of these types of studies. (typing species based on DNA...etc)

maybe it sounds a little elitist, but I have a bajillion times more faith in him to do a well constructed and applied study, versus Ketchum.

I don't see anywhere it says she is a Vet can you please post where you find she is a VET? She worked with Animal DNA yes but that doesn't make her a Vet.

Dr. Melba Ketchum

Scientist, Forensics and Hominid Research

Dr. Ketchum is the founder of DNA Diagnostics. Established in 1985, DNA Diagnostics has become a leader in all types of DNA testing including: human and animal forensics, human and animal paternity and parentage testing, disease diagnostics, trait tests, animal and human identity testing, species identification and sex determination. Most common species of animals are tested at DNA Diagnostics. Dr. Ketchum has also established a research program ranging from gene mapping to developing the VeriSNP™ (patent pending) platform for universal genetic evaluation in multiple species of animals. Other research includes genetics of disease, population genetics and other genetically important traits such as coat color in animals. Dr. Ketchum is a past three-term Chairperson of the International Society for Animal Genetics Equine Genetics Standing Committee. She has also been Dog Map Chairperson and a Committee member on the Dog and Cat Parentage Committee. She also was the Treasurer for AFDAA, The Association of DNA Analysts and Administrators. She aided in the analysis of the DNA sequences from the World Trade Center Disaster.
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Post  SasquaiNation on Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:53 am

I found this online.According to this, she is in fact a DVM.

Melba Ketchum




This story also mentions the Dr. being a vet.

Amarillo.com


Unraveling the Mystry of Bloodtyping!



This shows beyond any doubt that Dr. Melba Ketchum is a DVM- Doctor of Veterinary Medicine

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Post  CMcMillan on Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:41 am

Thank you SN Just couldn't find that information
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Post  StankApe on Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:46 pm

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Dr. Ketchum and her report adventures!

Post  Sweetsusiq on Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:11 pm

Dr. Ketchum truly thought that her DNA work would be published by February of this year. She had the DNA work completed and her written article finished to accompany the results. The delays have occurred because of the journal requesting rewrites upon rewrites, then due to the rewrites, the publication date kept being delayed, and delayed some more. This entire event has been a nightmare for her, and as a new journal submitter revealing an entirely new species that has been considered a "JOKE" among mainstream scientific groups including every branch of science and the general public, Melba had a lot to overcome. The journal has high standards, Melba was a new first time submitter with rather startling news regarding the Sasquatch species, and the journal demanded many changes and verification's of her DNA work. Thus the delay occurred, but the article is finally in the line-up to be published, and should be out soon.
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Post  StankApe on Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:17 pm

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Post  BurdenOfProof on Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:40 pm

Why is it so hard just to analyse one of these so called bigfoot samples and publish the sequence?

Why is it so hard to just do that to start with? No papers, no speculative articles/reports. Just publish the sequence. The results will speak for themselves.

If this happened then sciencists would be all over this research, it would be an incredible discovery.

Maybe I am overlooking it, but I would have thought in 2012, if we actually had a sample from a bigfoot that we could extract DNA from then the results could be made public.

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Post  StankApe on Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:49 pm

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Post  SasquaiNation on Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:11 pm

StankApe wrote:What you are describing sounds to be exactly what Sykes is doing

The timeline Dr. Sykes gives includes publication in a peer reviewed journal.

Sykes Study

Here's the link above if you want to read more.

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Post  StankApe on Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:24 pm

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Post  CMcMillan on Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:45 pm

StankApe wrote:The above posted release by Sykes calls the entire Ketchum situation into doubt doesn't it?

I do not think so,
Lets look Sykes works for a University.
Working for a University he has connections and resources that Ketchum will not.
Oxford like many other University's have their very own Journal Publications so it is a bit easier to get published being in a University

http://www.oxfordjournals.org/

If he is a professor he also has the ability to get published by the Oxford University Press
http://www.oup.com/us/

So of course he has to be up front about his research since the School is funding it.

Sorry your not really comparing apples to apples in these things

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