Crop Circles

I find these things absolutely amazing. Yes I know that some have been proven to be man made. However, the intricate ones amaze me. I just wonder what is the message and who is communicating with whom.

There are theories they are based on the binary code system?

What are others OPINIONS, thoughts, etc. I have not mastered putting pictures and videos in my posts yet so I wonder if some could bring over pictures of the most complex intricate ones and post here...please and thank you!

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/2012.html (the gallery has some amazing ones)

Crop circles in themselves are neat but they get really interesting when associated with physical affects on humans and animals and the areas disrupt electronics and other devices. We know the circles themselves can be hoaxed, but those other affects are more difficult to explain.

I love the ones that can not be explained that have all the funky stuff going on around them

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StankApe wrote:I'm not familiar with any crop circles that can't be explained.


Nor does it seem to make much sense that an alien race would travel billions upon billions of miles expending enormous amounts of money and energy only to arrive here and make patterns familiar to humans in crop fields......

Think about it seriously.... Why would they do that?

First...you are trying to make sense of something "alien" to you. You are interjecting your experiences, your thought processes. Making assumptions on human economics and understanding or energy use and consumption. I suspect it can not be viewed with the same terms.

Every single circle made in the fields has a known explaination? There are no circles that remain unexplained?

How about the effects centered around these "explained" circles? Documented cases of sickess in humans and animals upon entering them. Compasses failing to work inside them or even in aircraft flying over? Radiation levels 10x higher inside a circle than immediently adjacent? Dried out soils in areas of circles.

I am quite aware that crop circles can and have on many occasions be created by humans...I have not heard of humans being able to hoax these other unexplained effects as well.

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Good article however the first paragraph says

Scientists at the University of Oregon say that crop circles are very likely not caused by supernatural forces or UFOs, but rather by the laws of physics.

I personally interpret that to be a possibility only.

Here's something someone might enjoy reading, unlike the article published in the Scientific American Exploration Journal that was done on only three crop circle this reports on studies of 250 crop circles in 9 different countries over 15 yrs. It's worth reading and was very insightful to me ....however I'm not sure any absolutes were determined.

http://www.cropcirclesnorway.com/Forskning/research.htm

and results of lab report here
http://www.bltresearch.com/labreports.php

I agree that microwaves are involved but from where...... Why do I have the twilight theme music in my head?

Interesting
So if these were "Natural" how come they just happen to show interesting patterns seen other places?
They didn't answer that to well..

StankApe wrote:I haven't seen any of these supposed "experienced" referenced by anyone other than crop circle enthusiasts though... How do I know they didn't just make up their claims?

When mainstream science takes a look at something, decides there's nothing to see here. I tend to believe them.

When those who support claims are the only ones who have these odd experiences, I tend to not believe them.

I don't think this is an illogical position.

Not to mention this:

Why are all of the patterns readily found in different books on earth? It seems odd that alien life would coincidentally reproduce escher drawings or complex patterns seen in different degrees of pop culture.... seems unlikely.

Here's a nice article that explain crop circles pretty darn well.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Crop-Circles-Explained-by-Simple-Physics-214456.shtml

I think the article does a good job of explaining the sophistication of human created crop circles. I do not think that it covers all crop circles that have been created.

As far as main stream science? Define it. Would analysis of plants and soil from within crop circles by microscopes count? Just maybe since there is no scientific explanation...they will not touch it? No main stream scientist has explained how some plants have bent bent at angles beyond the capabilities of the plants. Not just one plant...but every single plant in the field.

I have no doubts that the vast majority of crop circles have explanations...and I have no doubt tat some have no current scientific explanation for how they were created.

Ahhhh yes, but I think someone somewhere on this planet knows exactly what's going on. Whether it's hoaxers, top secret etc.

I've often thought if not hoaxed, could it be communication between 2 sources, what those sources are who knows?

I imagine that if it is aliens communicating.
What ways would you relate things if you can not Communicate verbally?
Would use pictures to represent things.
I think that some are specific msg's that they are trying to get across.
Do we know what they are saying is the question.

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StankApe wrote:I'm leaving this freaking asylum, crop circles are manmade, been proven to be man made, and then demonstrated to be manmade.

But you just can't accept that eh? Nope, "my sandwich is gone....must be a squatch"

Just because something can be replicated DOES NOT mean that all instances of it were accomplished by the method used to replicate it. If you maintain that view on things..you are not a skeptic. You are a disbeliever. Yes it has been demonstrated over and over that crop circles can be created by humans....it HAS NOT been demonstrated how crop circles exhibit traits that are unexplained.

Thank you Doll,

We know things can be replicated the basics of it.
But their is more to these crop circles than just the Symbol.
Their has been research on the radation levels seen in them and other items.

So expalin where the Radation comes from after these crop circles are seen?
No one has explained that have they? I haven't seen it.

This has a lot of good info....

http://www.cropcirclesnorway.com/Forskning/research.htm

and results of lab report here
http://www.bltresearch.com/labreports.php

Some very good links thank you.

As to what is causing them, it remains to be seen. So far we have not seen anything or anyone create a crop circle. No one has ever been caught in the act that i know of to date.

DPinkerton wrote:Some very good links thank you.

As to what is causing them, it remains to be seen. So far we have not seen anything or anyone create a crop circle. No one has ever been caught in the act that i know of to date.

I think I would rather not have someone caught in the act...we humans need puzzles to ponder and the mystery behind it is half the fun. Whether man-made or not, they look awesome!

I agree MackBear! Welcome to the forum!!!!

According to BLT Research, there are three major abnormalities that are unexplainable in crop circles: the presence of elongated apical plant stem nodes, expulsion cavities in the plant stems, and 10-50 micron-diameter magnetized iron spherules deposited linearly in the crop circle soils. Along with those 3 criterion, the presence of microwave radiation in crop circles was also studied. By a series of replication experiments to fulfill the 4 criterion, the MIT research team hoped to find a “earthly” explanation for the crop circles. Unfortunately or Fortunately, how ever you want to look at it, the research teams were UNABLE to replicate the criterion in the crop circles. That means that they could duplicate the presence of elongated apical plant stem nodes, expulsion cavities in the plant stems, 10-50 micron-diameter magnetized iron spherules deposited linearly in the crop circle soils, or microwave radiation. One method the reasearchers tried, which I believed was an interesting thought was to use a “particle shooter” and microwave radiation generator to blast the crop [circles] in hopes to magnetize iron spheres and cause heat to be generated to cause both elongated apical plant stems nodes and expulsion cavities.

source:
http://ddig.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/mit-crop-circles/


I love this Page:
http://www.controversial-science.com/current/cc-hypothesis-comparison.htm

2) As many as 10,000 crop circles known since 1976. (1)
Mechanical Flattening Hypothesis: Requires innumerable, as yet unidentified teams of hoaxers working undetected in over 70 countries, producing almost 400 formations yearly.

3) Crop circles appear in tobacco, oilseed, rapeseed, wheat, barley, oats, flowers and most other agricultural crops, as well as ice, snow, sand and trees. (10)
Mechanical Flattening Hypothesis: Cannot explain formations appearing in fragile crops, large trees or thin ice.

6) 99+ percent of all formations are never shown to have been mechanically hoaxed (no videos exist of their creation, no pre-announcement was made, etc.).
Mechanical Flattening Hypothesis:Assumes that because less than one percent of formations were demonstrated hoaxes, the remaining 99% must also be hoaxes.
7) Physical anomaly's
Node length increases on plants were found to decrease exponentially with distance from the formation's center, in accordance with the Beer-Lambert principle of absorption of electromagnetic radiation by matter
Physical anomaly: Node length increases on plants were found to decrease exponentially with distance from the formation's center, in accordance with the Beer-Lambert principle of absorption of electromagnetic radiation by matter, and also to extend outside the formation into standing grain. Details
9) Physical anomaly: Significant changes in germination, or seedling growth, rates. Growth rates in seeds taken from crop formation plants range from no germination at all to markedly increased growth of seedlings.(12); Details G
Mechanical Flattening Hypothesis: No explanation. Known results of trampling grain (photo- or gravitropism) produce relatively insignificant node lengthening effects and No explanation.

But its a really good comparison to what a man made crop circle can explain