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What besides a body would tip the scale?

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What besides a body would tip the scale?

Post  ***** on Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:23 pm

I admit some dread associated with the idea that a specimen must be taken in order to protect/discover/catalog Sasquatch.

For those of you who are still unconvinced based on the evidence garnered thus far, which is completely understandable BTW, what else might move these animals out of the land of myth and lore for you?

I've often wished for a video of a Sasquatch performing something impossible for a man in a suit to duplicate. Like the kill or dispatching of prey, a leap into a tree, or speed that's beyond the scope of humanity!

What about the rest of you? What else other than a dead body on a slab would do it for you?

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Post  DPinkerton on Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:08 pm

Footage longer than 10 seconds Smile

I think if a trail cam or something were to catch and record an extended event then we would be in good shape. A bigfoot or preferably group enters camera area, are captured clearly performing their everyday activities. Walking, sitting, foraging for food, etc.

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Post  MylesLI on Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:00 pm

I think you are both right.

I also believe that a DNA analysis from a respected authority published in a respected journal would force the scientif world to reevaluate their bias against the possibility.

I am also looking for some report out of China and the official research expedition doing work in the field

But nothing would be a a National Geographic special of a family and their previously secret life

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Post  Buk Was Here on Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:10 pm

Clear HD footage of yes 20+ secs of real clear video no obstructions...
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Post  Tzieth on Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:30 am

With todays technology, the more clear the footage, the more it would be scrutinized and called fake real or not.

Other than a body... The only way I can see it could be done, is if one of them made deliberate contact. First calling a Lawyer and then setting up a press release for a major network to say "Here we are, we are sentient, we communicate and we now have lawyers to sue your ass if you try to kill us.. P.S. We want our own Casino's!!!!"

Other than that, IF the DNA was even a direct match to a relict Hominid and Sasquatch was now a confirmed species, then scientists are still going to want a specimen to dissect as it will be labeled as "Just another dumb beast to test cosmetics on."

I know that sounded rather Tree-Huggerish lol. But for the record I am as conservative as can be. I am just being realistic here. Neutral
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Re: What besides a body would tip the scale?

Post  fish91 on Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:59 am

Will photo or footage really tip the scale tho? Look at the Jacobs creature... to me it's undeniable proof of something out there. However people sit back and call it a malnourished bear or a escaped monkey. No matter how real the photo or video is someone will always says its a man in an ape suit. I know this may not sit well but one of these bigfoot have to take one for the team. We live in a society where concrete proof is law, DNA, photo, video, audio, castings, fur, poop... you name it and it will always have doubters and never be accepted by the mass. We need a body bottom line until then the public will view it as a myth

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Re: What besides a body would tip the scale?

Post  Got Yeti Yet? on Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:47 am

NobleSavage wrote:

What about the rest of you? What else other than a dead body on a slab would do it for you?

Two or more bodies for comparison purposes.

Seriously, a body, living or dead is the only criteria that would be accepted.

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Re: What besides a body would tip the scale?

Post  chiefmark on Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:02 pm

Extremely clear lengthy video should convince most sensible people capable of critical thinking. But some people wouldn't believe even if a body was produced. They'd probably cry conspiracy theory. Only their own encounter would convince them.

A series of crystal clear up close photographs would be nice but wouldn't prove much with editing technology at the level it is.

Footprints are still very good evidence in my opinion. Some skeptics go a bit quiet around a good set of prints.
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Post  Got Yeti Yet? on Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:17 pm

chiefmark wrote:Extremely clear lengthy video should convince most sensible people capable of critical thinking. But some people wouldn't believe even if a body was produced. They'd probably cry conspiracy theory. Only their own encounter would convince them.

A series of crystal clear up close photographs would be nice but wouldn't prove much with editing technology at the level it is.

Footprints are still very good evidence in my opinion. Some skeptics go a bit quiet around a good set of prints.

Extremely lengthy clear video of what? Video is easily hoaxed, especially in today's time and technology. I've read the bigfoot should be eating a deer or fileting a salmon, but I don't think that's what primates do. Bamboo shoots, yes, dear, not proven.

I don't go quiet around a good set of prints. I have yet to see any. I've made some though, which, by my single admission, renders prints inadmissable as evidence.

What else you got?

Do you have a body? That would help your case.

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Post  Tzieth on Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:01 pm

Got Yeti Yet? wrote:
chiefmark wrote:Extremely clear lengthy video should convince most sensible people capable of critical thinking. But some people wouldn't believe even if a body was produced. They'd probably cry conspiracy theory. Only their own encounter would convince them.

A series of crystal clear up close photographs would be nice but wouldn't prove much with editing technology at the level it is.

Footprints are still very good evidence in my opinion. Some skeptics go a bit quiet around a good set of prints.

Extremely lengthy clear video of what? Video is easily hoaxed, especially in today's time and technology. I've read the bigfoot should be eating a deer or fileting a salmon, but I don't think that's what primates do. Bamboo shoots, yes, dear, not proven.

I don't go quiet around a good set of prints. I have yet to see any. I've made some though, which, by my single admission, renders prints inadmissable as evidence.

What else you got?

Do you have a body? That would help your case.

WOW... You called believers out in your own little thread and this is the best you got??? Anti-facts??? "I've read the bigfoot should be eating a deer or fileting a salmon, but I don't think that's what primates do. Bamboo shoots, yes, dear, not proven." uhhhh PROVEN!!! Aside from the fact that Humans are primates, Chimps eat any animal they can catch including Baboons. Baboons are also omnivorous
BABOONS
" Diet
Baboons are opportunistic omnivores and selective feeders that carefully choose their food. Grass makes up a large part of their diet, along with berries, seeds, pods, blossoms, leaves, roots, bark and sap from a variety of plants. Baboons also eat insects and small quantities of meat, such as fish, shellfish, hares, birds, vervet monkeys and young, small antelopes."
http://www.outtoafrica.nl/animals/engbaboon.html

Chimpanzees
"Carnivorous Diet of Chimpanzee
Chimpanzee diet also consists of meat as these primates tend to hunt small monkeys and baby mammals. It is mostly the male chimpanzees that hunt for meat more than the females. However, meat consists of only 5% of their diet. The chimpanzees will hunt and eat the meat of baby bushbuks, colobus monkey, young baboons, etc. The chimps also steal eggs and baby chicks from bird nests if given a chance. When the chimpanzees form hunting groups and all the males look out for each other, they end up with higher hunting success
."http://www.buzzle.com/articles/chimpanzee-diet.html

There you go, one monkey, one ape, Both are primates. But most of us on the forum are in the Hominid camp, not the ape camp. Hominids is the order that Humans fall under. Right now we are labeled "Great Ape" only because we assume our other cousins died out simply because fossil records stop. But with that said, Chimps have no fossil record at all so they must not exist either. Laughing
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Re: What besides a body would tip the scale?

Post  StankApe on Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:38 am

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Re: What besides a body would tip the scale?

Post  chiefmark on Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:14 am

Got Yeti Yet? wrote:

Extremely lengthy clear video of what? Video is easily hoaxed, especially in today's time and technology. I've read the bigfoot should be eating a deer or fileting a salmon, but I don't think that's what primates do. Bamboo shoots, yes, dear, not proven.

I don't go quiet around a good set of prints. I have yet to see any. I've made some though, which, by my single admission, renders prints inadmissable as evidence.

What else you got?

Do you have a body? That would help your case.

Extremely lengthy clear video of a squatch, I though that was pretty obvious. Ofcourse video is easily hoaxed. I could put a scarecrow on film, claim its Bigfoot and it would be a hoax. But it wouldn't fool anyone. It is however, very hard to fool someone with a clear long video. No hoaxers ever dressed up as a squatch and came right up to the camera, staring straight into the lens whilst talking for 10 minutes, and there's a reason for that.

You should read up on primate habits before posting what you 'think' primates do.

If you've yet to see a good set of 18 inch prints with dermal ridges, verified by the world expert in this field, and the go on to comment that a body would 'help' yes, only 'help' my case, then you need to admit that you just don't want to believe.
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Re: What besides a body would tip the scale?

Post  CMcMillan on Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:58 am

The issue with evidence in today's society is not the lack of it.
It comes down to anyone with a computer can make a video and post it on youtube.
Or a person can go online and purchase stuff to make a costume.

Yes the only real proof for many of you is not even a body!
Its seeing one for yourself in real life.
If you see a body on a slab and officials say its real.
Then 2 days later some body puts the same looking body on youtube it will then be up for Well that first one isn't real either.

the skeptics won't believe till its in a Zoo or where they can go an look at it alive.
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Re: What besides a body would tip the scale?

Post  DPinkerton on Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:00 am

StankApe wrote:
Verifiable evidence, there is none. every single piece of evidence submitted so far, could have been manufactured . EVERY SINGLE ONE.

As I said before...just because something can be reproduced using other methods...does NOT mean that it was produced that way originally.

We can reproduce a tornado in a laboratory. Does that mean that someone is outside with giant machines creating tornadoes? No you would called absurd if you made that suggestion...well in the case of prints, that is just what you are doing.

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Post  StankApe on Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:51 pm

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Post  DPinkerton on Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:00 pm

It will be interesting if a bigfoot is ever scientifically confirmed to see just how important those foot prints will become. They may not be proof at the moment, but they will become a valuable tool for scientist to understand their movements, migrations or what have you. To completely dismiss them would be potentially ignoring very valuable information.

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Post  DPinkerton on Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:48 pm

StankApe wrote:Nope. until you follow the prints and prove they came from a Bigfoot it isn't proof of anything.

We know people fake prints, we don't know that Bigfoot is real. Until we can absolutely show that Print A is from Bigfoot B we have nothing but a possibly hoaxed or mis identified footprint.

You should rephrase that...

Until we can absolutely show that Print A is from Bigfoot B we have nothing but a possibly hoaxed, mis identified footprint OR POTENTIAL REAL PRINT.

Just because it is not proof, that does not mean it is not real either. You refuse to accept that ANYTHING except a body might be real. In this you are doing yourself a disservice.

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Post  CMcMillan on Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:58 pm

StankApe wrote:Nope. until you follow the prints and prove they came from a Bigfoot it isn't proof of anything.

We know people fake prints, we don't know that Bigfoot is real. Until we can absolutely show that Print A is from Bigfoot B we have nothing but a possibly hoaxed or mis identified footprint.

So i follow the prints or I take a picture of Bigfoot standing or walking and then see the prints.
That would still not satisfy you because
1.) Foot can be Hoaxed
2.) Suit can be Hoaxed
3.) Film can be Hoaxed
4.) Body can be Hoaxed

So what is it?
You are throwing out every bit of evidence because IT CAN BE HOAXED.
I can mimic a morning doves sound but that doesn't mean they aren't real? just because we can Mimic or make things doen't mean it isn't real.
A skeptic would not throw away all prints just cause they can be hoaxed they would say Ok this one set how was it done. where was it done when was it made could someone hoax this what are the chances of it having been hoaxed.
They don't write off every foot print.
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Post  StankApe on Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:08 pm

DPinkerton wrote:It will be interesting if a bigfoot is ever scientifically confirmed to see just how important those foot prints will become. They may not be proof at the moment, but they will become a valuable tool for scientist to understand their movements, migrations or what have you. To completely dismiss them would be potentially ignoring very valuable information.

I agree with this, I'm not saying casts shouldn't be made, preserved and studied. I'm just saying that pointing at them as "absolute proof" at this moment in time, is misguided .
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Post  StankApe on Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:09 pm

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Re: What besides a body would tip the scale?

Post  Mr.Lee on Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:23 pm

Why can't everyone be as smart as Stank?

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Re: What besides a body would tip the scale?

Post  Tzieth on Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:44 am

StankApe wrote:I find it amusing that you are one of those anti-science people because they refuse to just believe you based on your word that bigfoot is real...


have you ever considered that if they did it would be VERY unscientific of them?


Verifiable evidence, there is none. every single piece of evidence submitted so far, could have been manufactured . EVERY SINGLE ONE.

It's a big circus, a fun circus, but a circus nonetheless.

so, do think everything else science has proven is false too? or do you just pick and choose the parts you like and reject the rest?

Not Anti-Science.. Anti-Mainstream science. Bigfoot has nothing to do with it. When you declare theories as Fact, it is no longer science... It has become religion.
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Post  StankApe on Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:37 am

I had posts deleted that weren't offensive and that sucks (I believe I said that i read something on the blog that said 2 bodies would be required as the first could be dismissed as a one of mutation (which I think is a bit of a stretch) and that one body would suffice) I don't know why that was deleted.......


I think you are making the mistake that many people make. They regard the word "theory" in science to mean the same thing as "best guess" ,but it doesn't . a Theory in science is akin to a law. relativity is considered a theory, but it's been proven to be true so far, every single thing Einstein predicted with his simple equation has panned out to be true. Evolution is considered equally as viable. Details may be missing from the record, and of course, we don't know everything about it, but the foundations of it are sound, and backed up by facts. Things come along and may change facets of the theory itself(no matter what the theory involves) but it either holds up as tested and scrutinized over the years or it falls apart.


Here's a good link featuring the definition of a scientific theory (and it's a wiki, but a good one,with a great example at the beginning)

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Post  Tzieth on Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:23 am

StankApe wrote:I had posts deleted that weren't offensive and that sucks (I believe I said that i read something on the blog that said 2 bodies would be required as the first could be dismissed as a one of mutation (which I think is a bit of a stretch) and that one body would suffice) I don't know why that was deleted.......


I think you are making the mistake that many people make. They regard the word "theory" in science to mean the same thing as "best guess" ,but it doesn't . a Theory in science is akin to a law. relativity is considered a theory, but it's been proven to be true so far, every single thing Einstein predicted with his simple equation has panned out to be true. Evolution is considered equally as viable. Details may be missing from the record, and of course, we don't know everything about it, but the foundations of it are sound, and backed up by facts. Things come along and may change facets of the theory itself(no matter what the theory involves) but it either holds up as tested and scrutinized over the years or it falls apart.


Here's a good link featuring the definition of a scientific theory (and it's a wiki, but a good one,with a great example at the beginning)


Yeah screw wiki I learned what the definition of "Theory" was in High-school "An educated guess" key word, Guess nothing more. Showing me religious propeganda does not make it anymore than what is is.. a "Guess"

Just as my theory of you which is based on science. You are indeed Mr.Bigfoot, is just that.. a Theory. An educated guess based off of training I received from both the Military(In a way) and my time in Law Enforcement. Just as a certain poster that was in the blog under Anonymous is also you.

Evidence that supports theory:
1)Stankape leaves his F-You post and states he is leaving
2)Mr.Bigfoot emerges on the same day.
3)Anom. Poster tells Shaun off on the blog same day.
4)Mr.Bigfoot leaves, Stankape returns

Stankape carries himself in a professional manner until his mighty and absolute intellect is put to the challenge. Then he resorts to verbal assaults and insults and his very demeanor changes along with his vocabulary. Where he initially comes off as witty and tactful displaying the possibility that he might just actually have an IQ of 169, he now shows the behavior of a 15-year old having a tantrum... So did Mr.Bigfoot.

You go from making a good case, to throwing it all away. Your vocabulary is then limited to "Gullible, Gullible,Retard.Idiot,Gullible" In both Your case and that of your alter-ego "Mr.Bigfoot" you then start attacking "religion" as if you your self were not acting like a religious zealot. Rolling Eyes

In being Stationed at Schoffield Barracks, in Hawaii, I had to have mandatory Psyops training.. It was just a crash-coarse to teach us how spys operate and what to look for. (This is due to how the Japanese gained info on our Pacific fleet.) But they taught us the basics of the science. How we psych our selves out all the time and how spies use that to gain info. ie; Pick up your drink while on a date, and normally within 2.4 seconds, your date will do the same depending on nervous level. You and all your friends are in a car when a News flash comes up on the radio that gets everyones attention. In most cases everyone will lean forward looking at the console even though the speakers may be behind them. Then I started studying it more on my own. I learned about "tells" and writing analysis of typed writing. How to tell age, sex, race and mental state of someone by the way they word things or what vocabulary they use. Later I was able to apply this as a corrections officer, correctional Drill Instructor, Substance-Abuse Officer and later an ATO... I have been fooled a few times, but not often.

So.. though I have a Theory that you, the Anom, HillbillyBigfoot, and Mr.Bigfoot are all the same guy, That does not make it a "FACT" in the end, it is still only my Opinion

You follow a set pattern and where others get offended when you lash out, you will never see me do the same.. I am too busy gloating that I won the argument because you only do this when you know you've lost the point Twisted Evil
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