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WHy do the Patriarchs of the the Bigfoot world spend SO MUCH time debunking others?

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WHy do the Patriarchs of the the Bigfoot world spend SO MUCH time debunking others?

Post  GT3Paul on Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:52 pm

Why do people like Moneymaker spend SO much time debunking stuff like Ketchums study?
When you are a researcher and I spent 25 years in GPS research, you dont have time to be out
in the field debunking other projects. You dont have enough time to do your OWN projects much less
debunk others. To me as a researcher albeit in another field, that is a HUGE red flag on the credibility
on the researcher who is out debunking others.
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Post  CMcMillan on Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:03 pm

Yea I don't get why they are so much infighting between the people.
I don't know if it is because each individual wants to be the ONE to discover Bigfoot or not.

They should all be supportive in a way and not trashing each other.

MM should wait for the paper to be published to read it and take it in.
Before calling her out right now.

Honestly MM attitude to others in my Opinion makes me think he should be removed from Finding Bigfoot.
Cliff and Bobo seem to be the most open in the show.
I have to wonder if at times Cliff and Bobo aren't rolling their eyes alot about the comments MM makes.

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Attention?

Post  Blondie1 on Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:55 pm

I strongly suspect attention.

I'm sure Bobo and Cliff are rolling their eyes.
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Post  GT3Paul on Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:52 pm

I have been involved in 3 or 4 research areas in my time as a scientist for the Navy. There is work
where sometimes stuff is proprietary to contractors or to the Navy. ONE time I saw some infighting
where there was a dispute between the different factions involved in the research. And even THAT
was stupid. But THIS, THIS BIGFOOT area of research is alone and by itself in the way that the researchers
dont get along, spend time bad talking other researchers, even devoting parts of their WEBSITES to those
they feel are hoaxers. Seriously if you are CONCERNED about your WORK and your RESEARCH, you should
only be working on two things, PUBLISHING your work and furthering your research. If you have time
to go out and debunk others, study videos of others work and debunk those, go on talk shows to talk
about others and why they are wrong, then in my opinion you arent serious enough about your own work.
And if you arent a real scientist (we have some lawyers who like to call them selves researchers etc etc.)
then you should spend more time in working your craft, studying more about what you are doing instead
of wasting our time. Jus sayin
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Post  DPinkerton on Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:08 pm

Well said Paul...I do not feel any of these people have the right to criticize. They are not her peers, they are not experts on DNA or genetics, they have zero claim to question her findings. That is what PEER review is for.

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Post  Tzieth on Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:38 am

This very same thing happened with the gorilla.

This Ape-camp/human-camp thing, is what I think is to blame (Aside from personal greed). Moneymaker is convinced it is an ape, but Ketchum's findings state otherwise. Look at the blog. The skeptics and flat out Nay-sayers are almost non-existent. The heated debate are Ape-campers doing the trolling.

If her findings were that "it" was an ape, I would still think there were Homo's.. it would not damage my belief because I think there is more than one thing out there. I still think there are three types of apes that fall into "Bigfoot" and possibly even a monkey or two. (Another name given to "Skunk-Ape" is "Devil-Monkey" as tails were noted).

But look how stupid our evidence is... We hear Five types of unidentified vocals. Shrieks, whistles, guttural growls, whoops and howls. But eyewitness observation, only confirms the guttural growls, although some reports are immediately after whistles. We hear wood-knocks and assume this is the same creature, but no one to the best of my knowledge has actually seen one doing this. We get rocks thrown at us, but does anyone actually see what is throwing the rocks?

In my case I heard what I guess would be considered a woop, but it was more of a "wooo" or more like a "WAooooo" but in the tone of a question as if it were calling for someone named "Wa-ooo" started flat with that "Wa" and went into a high-pitched shriek on the "ooo". I never saw it, but I knew it was bi-pedal because I could hear it's foot falls which were just on the other side of the fence in the wood-line. Maybe at tops 15 feet away from me and it just kept walking back and forth screaming this. But this does not mean that what I heard was the same thing we see on Patty footage.

Chances are that if there is one, there are more and reported behavior even suggests so. We get dog-man reports and those people passed their lie-detector tests on Monsterquest just as the Bigfoot people did. The difference is, something with pointy ears and a muzzle is not going to be confused with a hairy ape-man looking thing. But since we have no clear facial image of patty, how do we know every hairy ape-man thing reported are the same species? But ape-camp, human-camp they all seem to be thinking there is only one unknown primate hominid out there so they feel the need to throw wrenches in the work of others... It is pathetic Evil or Very Mad
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Post  Danny Squatchanini on Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:39 pm

Jealousy

What's Matt's bra size anyway? Holidays are coming...
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Post  CMcMillan on Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:29 am

I wrote this on the Blog:

So Melba's DNA study is all a Setup? Because its taken 5years and been so secret right?
No one should believe it because it has taken so long right? Or that Bigfoot can't be Human Hybrid. It has to be a creature an APE.
If these people don't like how long it has taken or all the secret research.
Why are we waiting Years for the Sierra Kill Information. Why are we waiting for a Book or Documenary?
If you can not show your Evidence that you have right now then I feel you should SHUT-UP or Show.
Its freaking childish we have these "people" in the BIGFOOT field battling each other and Trash Talking each other.
Why can't People wait for this DNA Paper from either person since we have to wait for their Evidence they say they have.
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Post  Green911 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 1:57 pm

My thoughts exactly. elephant
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Credibility

Post  ***** on Sat Dec 01, 2012 2:38 pm

Moneymaker is a blowhard, self glorifying, narcissist.

With all that being said, he WAS right about Biscardi.

I have a lot of respect for Bart Cutino, Matt Pruitt, and Derek Randles, all of which to my knowledge have made a determination about Ketchum herself and the project overall. That determination was negative in the extreme.

I don't think it's sour grapes. No one likes to be made a fool of, and some don't like to see others made fools either.

If I remember correctly this 'couple of weeks' proclamation has been made before. 5 years is a long time, even for a discovery of such magnitude.


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Re: WHy do the Patriarchs of the the Bigfoot world spend SO MUCH time debunking others?

Post  GT3Paul on Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:50 pm

I dont know what to think of the Russians(because of my military background that goes well into
the cold war) but so far on the big foot research I havent seen anything that makes me think
they are anything but scientists. Which is more than I can say about some of the Americans,
but Igor Burtsev came out in support of Dr. Ketchum.
Still when you put all this together and look at the empirical evidence

you have moneymaker who is a self promoter law school grad who did websites
until he became a professional camping master TV show presenter AND

on the other side you have a egotistical Scientist who is an expert in genetics who
has other scientists behind her like Dr. Burtsev.

So looking at the math, I think Dr. Ketchum comes out ahead. Not only that, she only has come
out against those who have attacked HER. She hasnt gone out to debunk others. WHY? SHE DOESNT
HAVE TIME!! She is WORKING! Unlike whatever it is that Matt does.
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Post  GT3Paul on Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:52 pm

BTW Tzieth great post.
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Researchers infighting

Post  sasdave on Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:08 pm

The in fighting is a human problem, not a sasquatch problem. I never asked to have my experiance with this grand creature. Mentally I have evolved, which is what many need to do; as this mind bender changed my concept of life as there are many questionable happenings out there. Faith in others experiances etc is a issue many have problems dealing with especially skeptics. Are skeptics on the right track or are they instruments of closemindedness to reality. To me they can say or write what they will as they are one of the main causes to this infighting. Evolution is a mind, brain thing and the sasquatch isn't a stupid ape. Just my opinion at the moment, believe it or not.

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Post  GT3Paul on Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:10 am

Cool Dave could you tell us about it???
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Post  sasdave on Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:22 pm

GT3Paul, What is it you want me to tell you about. It is just my opinion they are not apes. My experiances and sighting happened in the mid 70's. The so called experts on this subject haven't in most cases had a experiance with this grand creature. This does cause infighting with some of the unbelievers. Have you seen the documentary of the horsemen of sasquatchery they lied through their teeth and took me out of context. I have had people come up to me and say I seen you on TV arguing with Rene D. Never did personally have a chance to talk to him, personally I think he sold out to that beer company. As many believe you had to of been drunk to see such a thing. Regarding The sasquatch is part human and the other part is mentioned in certain human books that are found almost in all homes. A clue is in the shape of the skull. If Ketchum whats to match dna she will have to have top secret clearance. Remember this and the above is just my opinion; as I haven't the proof to prove my point only the 38 years of on and off experiance(s) I've had and others that I believe witnessed this grand creature.

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Post  DPinkerton on Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:50 pm

GT3Paul wrote:Why do people like Moneymaker spend SO much time debunking stuff like Ketchums study?
When you are a researcher and I spent 25 years in GPS research, you dont have time to be out
in the field debunking other projects. You dont have enough time to do your OWN projects much less
debunk others. To me as a researcher albeit in another field, that is a HUGE red flag on the credibility
on the researcher who is out debunking others.

I wonder why Bigfoot Evidence is spending the time trying to debunk Rick Dyer?

http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2013/04/rick-dyer-2013-bigfoot-hoax-in-his-own.html#moretop

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