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Post  CMcMillan on Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:40 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/12/03/tantalizing-hints-organics-on-mars-nasa-says/?intcmp=features

So I have a Question for the Evolutionist.

We seem to have all the building blocks for life on MARS.
Why have we found no trace of Life? Or Past life on Mars yet?
Where is Evolution in this?
Per evolution Life would have mutated and adapted to the harsh environment no?

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Post  Ravinoff on Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:13 pm

Except we have found evidence of life on Mars. And organic compounds don't mean life, they're just simple hydrocarbons. Any life that evolved on Mars wouldn't have had the chance to become complex, with the lack of atmosphere and no magnetic field, but there is evidence that there's life there now, or there used to be. The Viking lander indicated a strong possibility of life, as did the ALH84001, Nahkla and Shergotty meteorites.
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Post  CMcMillan on Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:52 pm

Ravinoff wrote:Except we have found evidence of life on Mars. And organic compounds don't mean life, they're just simple hydrocarbons. Any life that evolved on Mars wouldn't have had the chance to become complex, with the lack of atmosphere and no magnetic field, but there is evidence that there's life there now, or there used to be. The Viking lander indicated a strong possibility of life, as did the ALH84001, Nahkla and Shergotty meteorites.

Kinda confused by what your saying
So your saying that No COMPLEX life could ever develope on Mars because of Atmosphere and No Magnetic Field?
1.) Mars does have an atmosphere. The Martian atmosphere contains about 95.3% carbon dioxide (CO2) and 2.7% nitrogen, with the remainder a mixture of other gases. However, it is a very thin atmosphere, roughly 100 times less dense than Earth's atmosphere. Note: If Mars did not have an atmosphere images taken from the surface of Mars would show a black sky, even during the day.
2.)
•Mars does not presently have a global magnetic field but had one early in its life, similar to that of Earth. However, Mars does have very strong crustal magnetic fields, more than 30 times stronger than those of Earth.
•Developed a detailed map of the magnetic fields of crustal sources.
•The absence of magnetization in large impact basins allowed for the first time to establish the time of cessation of the Martian dynamo, more than 3.5 billion years ago.
•The absence of a global magnetic field for billions of years has contributed to the erosion of Mars atmosphere by the solar wind and the loss of water.
•Established a correlation of the horizontal component of the magnetic field with upstream solar wind dynamic pressure.

So Why can not More Complex Life have developed on Mars? Via Evolution simple organisms would have become complex and Evolved and developed into SOME kinda of LIFE.
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Post  Tzieth on Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:18 am

Okay aside from the Possible structures on Mars that no one will take serious including the Obelisk on it's moon... I will ignore that stuff as it is geologically impossible to be natural on Earth, But Mars might behave differently.

As for complex life being unable to form, that is pure and utter B.S.. We have complex life here on Earth that do not follow the rules. Shrimp that live in near boiling temperatures that are devoid of any sunlight at a pressure that would crunch a WWII era submarine as if it were an empty Dr.Pepper can and algae and plankton that live well within the boiling range that the shrimp are feeding on.

Insects, reptiles and mammals that live in the darkest of caves that have never seen the light of day. Fish and birds that live under and on the polar icecaps.

Insects, reptiles and mammals that live in hottest of deserts that almost never see rain.

The second largest gas on Mars other than CO2 is Oxygen. It has EVERYTHING needed for life. By the Rules of Macro-evolution, organisms evolve to their environment regardless.

Here on Earth we have organisms that can survive on Mars. One of the theories of terraforming Mars is to drop loads of algae on it which would thrive in it's CO2 rich environment and start mass-producing oxygen thus forming green house gasses and then adding more vegetation as the Martian climate changes over a few thousand years. Another theory is to use nukes on the polar icecaps which would give it an atmosphere over night, but we end up making it unsuitable for earth-based life. The newest theory is to start building factories on Mars and let the pollution do all the work.

If Mars did once have life, then it has oil.. All the more better. Drill and refine the oil there to start running your factories. But then again, by the rules of evolution, if Mars once had life, then the life would have evolved to fit it's current climate.

Evolutionists keep chiming "You are living in the Dark Ages" to creationists. Or they assume that anyone who does not follow evolution is a creationist. OR.. that deep down I.D. people are creationists that believe in the same God... (That is only one faction of I.D. Theory.) Now it is Evolutionists hanging on to a theory that not only cannot be proven, but simply does not work. Now all biological science is based off this theory and thus such things that say "NO" like Mars is ignored. How is this any different from Christians who used science to justify the existence of God pre-Charles Darwin?

Another faction of I.D. is alien life created earth life, but then again, if you keep going back, you will have to have "God".

How about this one.. I will pull 2 theories right out of my Butt like Charles Darwin.

Theory I: The genetic computer
God, is not around us, God is in us. Our genes are God. They are a computer program that is sentient and know exactly what they want and how to achieve it. They use Micro-evolution to test variants and see how the variant Organism adapts to certain environments. There is no gradual change here. They went through the all the variants of apes and found them lacking for their greater goal. So they took their best newly conceived pregnant apes and trans-mutated the embryo at the single cell stage of development. Fusing this, and dropping that and adding this and that. Nine months later, this generation of apes gave birth to Human infants. Homo-Erectus... The proto-type of a new genus,which then began running it's own variants one of which was Homo-Sapiens and later Homo-Sapiens-Sapiens.

There you go.. No invisible man in the sky and no loose ends. Micro-evolution prevents Macro. One thing cannot evolve into another, but one thing can be born of another. The current Theory of Macro-Evolution wants to say that Micro eventually changes a genus. This is friggen impossible. For one, we have no evidence of this gradual change and secondly, this type of mutation occurs all the time in our bodies and is immediately eradicated or repaired. When it is not, the organism dies. But at the single celled level, this is possible. There are not normal genes that determine an oddity. The whole embryo is something new and unique unto it's self. A new genus was born of an older one. For this to happen, there must be some sort of intelligence. The code it's sel
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Theory II: Energetic Designn.
Energy is sentient. It has always existed and always will. It existed in one spot perfecting it's self and growing. Learning how to expand it's self and contract it's self. Evolving into heat and cold, magnetism and gravity and eventually creating the first particle maybe the particle was light or something unknown. Eventually it fused particle's and created the first atom... Then it started fusing atoms and made the first gas. Then it condensed the gas and made the first solid and liquid. And it kept this up out of boredom until one day it decided that it was bored of this as well and exploded the mass and created the universe and thus creating multi-scale entities such as it's self. These Entities then began collecting atoms and fusing them together creating dust then rock,and eventually stars and planets, Black holes, quasars and all conducting their own random experiments. They began creating their own worlds and some of them decided to be a part of this new Physical universe that they had created. So they began manipulating chemicals until they created the first life form that they inhabited. A simple microbe... But they wanted more, so they changed it into something more complex rewriting it's code and keeping this up until their vessel became you.

You have always existed and always will exist. You have had many bodies since time began and with every life you have lived, you grew more individual. You are a phase of evolution, but not physical evolution, you are merely intelligence it's self on it's way to becoming something omnipotent. You are and always were "God". God not being one Entity, but the collective conscientiousness that you originally came from since the Big-Bang.


(Sorry, I write Sci-Fi and horror fiction novels as a hobby lol) Yes those may be off the wall, but no more than macro-evolution lol. And at least I tie up the loose ends lol.
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Post  CMcMillan on Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:27 am

LOL Thank you TZ
But yes this is what I want Evolutionists to explain.
Mars has had about the same time as the earth to have MACRO-Evolution to have occurred.
So how come nothing complex is living on the planet.

So is the Theory of Evolution wrong?
Everything is there for life as we know it.
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Post  Ravinoff on Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:17 pm

CMcMillan wrote:LOL Thank you TZ
But yes this is what I want Evolutionists to explain.
Mars has had about the same time as the earth to have MACRO-Evolution to have occurred.
So how come nothing complex is living on the planet.

So is the Theory of Evolution wrong?
Everything is there for life as we know it.

But it didn't have time, that's the point. The Martian magnetic field died out four billion years ago. Since then the planet's surface has been blasted by cosmic radiation and the atmosphere has been stripped away by the solar wind. Assuming Mars formed around the same time as Earth, out of the protoplanetary disc approximately 4.54 billion years ago, that gives Martian life a span of roughly 500 million years to form and evolve. Now, take into account that this time period was also one of the most chaotic the solar system has ever seen due to the Late Heavy Bombardment, and it's very unlikely that complex life could have formed there. By comparison, abiogenesis on Earth is thought to have occurred between 3.9 and 3.5 billion years ago, beginning as extremely basic single-celled life, similar to today's cyanobacteria. And, it's worth noting, these primitive life forms left traces of their existence visible on a macro scale today in stromatolites.
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Post  Tzieth on Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:58 pm

Mars still has a magnetic field lol. But Evolution would correct it. Creatures should adapt to the radiation. If there was any truth to macro Evolution. Roaches and earthworms adapted to Hiroshima why wouldn't Martain life adapt to way less radio activity on a gradual scale? Or go subterranean?

Mars still has an Electro Magnetic field and it still has an atmosphere. They are just weaker than Earths. And yes, Animals could not survive on Mars (small possibility that scorpions could with the right temperature.) What about plant life? In this case, Plants should thrive. The cosmic radiation that would be toxic to animals should boost photosynthesis in plants. The algae that they wanted to use could live in Mars's extreme cold and extreme heat. It thrives in both those windows. Why hasn't Mars at least produced it's own variant of Algae?

If Microbial life is surviving, then by the very rules of Macro-Evolution, more complex life adapted to Mars should also exist. The radiation is not effecting the microbes, so why would it effect multi-celled organisms? And that is just carbon based. What if Silicon based lifeforms exist as is being theorized now? All these new theories that are springing for Macro-evolution are starting to contradict it.
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Post  CMcMillan on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:03 pm



Seems to me your trying to make excuses for Evolution theory.
If the Theory is sound and we have all the factors for the creation of Life as we know it.
Then Evolution should have Adapted the life to the environment of mars.
This is how Evolution is taught and believed to work that we adapted to our new environment.

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