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Post  CMcMillan Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:23 pm

Not sure if you all have seen this but i found this a bit intresting.
Would love to see more research on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRi1VLBxtZc&feature=youtu.be
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Post  SasquaiNation Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:30 pm

Yes, I've sen this one a few times. Shawn had it posted on his blog awhile ago. I'm sure there are some new people who have not seen it before.

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Post  BurdenOfProof Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:38 pm

Debunked already.

What happens to the leg angle when a human tries to walk with massive fake feet attached? Smile

This also nicely explains the gait.
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Post  CMcMillan Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:01 pm

BurdenOfProof wrote:Debunked already.

What happens to the leg angle when a human tries to walk with massive fake feet attached? Smile

This also nicely explains the gait.

Please show the Video Debunking this please.
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Post  BurdenOfProof Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:11 pm

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Post  SasquaiNation Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:14 pm

CMcMillan wrote:
BurdenOfProof wrote:Debunked already.

What happens to the leg angle when a human tries to walk with massive fake feet attached? Smile

This also nicely explains the gait.

Please show the Video Debunking this please.

VOODOOSIXXX did a very short video on this topic. I'm sure I've seen another one but I can't seem to find it. I'm still not sure what to make of this theory though. I'm kind of on the fence with it.


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Post  SasquaiNation Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:24 pm

Sorry Burden, you must have posted before I finished mine. We selected the same video,lol.

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Post  BurdenOfProof Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:40 pm

Great minds Smile
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Post  CMcMillan Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:19 pm

I am not sure if that really disproves the Patterson Film.
Like I said I would like to see more research on it. And using Flippers doesn't equal the supposed big clown shoes or big fake feet that Patty was suppose to have.
I would like to see a better comparison to the whole thing.
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Post  SasquaiNation Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:37 pm

CMcMillan wrote:I am not sure if that really disproves the Patterson Film.
Like I said I would like to see more research on it. And using Flippers doesn't equal the supposed big clown shoes or big fake feet that Patty was suppose to have.
I would like to see a better comparison to the whole thing.

I don't see anything wrong with flippers being used because the length of the foot is increased. I suppose if someone had time they could compare flippers,clown shoes and big feet of equal size to see if the angle changes.
I don't know if Dr. Meldrum has ever addressed this but it would be interesting to see the results. Since we don't have a real Bigfoot to study, this is speculation at best.

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Post  zaskar36 Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:32 pm

CMcMillan wrote:I am not sure if that really disproves the Patterson Film.
Like I said I would like to see more research on it. And using Flippers doesn't equal the supposed big clown shoes or big fake feet that Patty was suppose to have.
I would like to see a better comparison to the whole thing.

This may seem middle of the road but I like both videos. You can actually interpret the Vodoo video actually proving the anatomy and resulting gait of a Bigfoot. So unfortunately it's all a wash and your back to square one of not knowing definitively if the PG film is a hoax.

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Post  Danny Squatchanini Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:22 am

Let me see if I understand this correctly. If we wear boogie board shoes, flippers, or whatever else this guy said in the video, we are gonna walk like Patty in the film and have that 73 degree angle of our shin bone? So whoever wore the suit in the P/G film, had that incline because of the Bigfoot shoes?
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Post  CMcMillan Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:16 am

Here is my doubts on the flipper theory.
Did Voodoo actually measure the angle of what he created? He doesn't show the angle. He is showing that the gate the walk looks the same. I would be more interested in seeing stills of both with an overlay of the angles. Just showing us a walk with no angle overlays doesn't work for me if your trying to disprove something. Now don't forget the person WHO supposedly faked this would have mentioned that he couldn't do the walk correctly with out the Shoes since the shoes would be crucial to the whole faked walk. But I haven't seen where that was ever mentioned.
I know wearing fins you tend to walk exaggerated and the chances you would walk fast would not work to well. Your also dealing with the air displacement. I would like to see more of a Shoe that they think the Patterson film has.

Also Voodoo likes to say that NO Female primate has a furry chest.
Well in Humans Males can have hairy chests.
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Not all primates are Gorilla's and Chimps some female Primates have hair on their chests.
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Also we are forgetting about conditions like this
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So it is possible that a creature could have hairy Breasts.
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Post  StankApe Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:25 am

Well, that's really a stretch, no great apes have as much. By that logic we could say that there could be giant whale people leaving under the ice an Antarctica... Speculation is fine, but you really need to keep it in the realm of reality and comparisons to existing animals either still alive or in the fossil record.
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Post  Danny Squatchanini Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:31 am

Speaking of hairy, you ever see that movie, "The Boy who cried Werewolf?" from 1973? Good flick. Just ordered it.


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Post  CMcMillan Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:00 pm

StankApe wrote:Well, that's really a stretch, no great apes have as much. By that logic we could say that there could be giant whale people leaving under the ice an Antarctica... Speculation is fine, but you really need to keep it in the realm of reality and comparisons to existing animals either still alive or in the fossil record.

How am i stretching reality. We have actual conditions in humans that make them hairy all over!
So it is possible and within reason that a creature of big foot is born with this condition also the other thing we are missing is many apes we study do not live in cold climates. So these creatures have adapted for cold weather protection.
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Post  StankApe Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:20 pm

If that's the case then there are no Bigfoot living in the south.....

I would say it's stretching imagination to fit a film which is most likely faked. I think most footers would be better served letting the PGF go and focusing more on up to date information. Which is more likely? That Patterson not only happened to film a critter that looked exactly like a concept drawing he made(and violates many of the existing rules of great apes)? Or that he faked it and the real bigfoot doesn't really look like that?

If Bigfoot is real, then it's probably going to follow the evolutionary rules of other great apes. Trying to use a genetic anomaly as the rule doesn't really work either. Unless you think they are humans suffering from hypertrichosis.
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Post  CMcMillan Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:59 pm

That is if you assume that the Bigfoot is an APE of some kind.
Yet We are supposed to be decedents of Apes and we are different than other apes in appearance.
So it is possible that even if Big foot is some kinda of ape like creature they can be as different as a human is to an ape.

Just like Humans who live all over have adapted with their skin color and eye color etc.. to have different looks from region to region. Big foot has evolved and adapted the same.
Just like animals. Example: An Artic Fox looks similar to a north american fox but has evolved different coloring and fur to survive in its environment.
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Post  StankApe Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:45 pm

But Bigfoot is supposed to exist in almost every state.... That puts a damper on your hypothesis.

It's not like Bigfoot lives in the arctic circle, perhaps then fur covered breasts would make sense.
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Post  CMcMillan Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:08 pm

StankApe wrote:But Bigfoot is supposed to exist in almost every state.... That puts a damper on your hypothesis.

It's not like Bigfoot lives in the arctic circle, perhaps then fur covered breasts would make sense.

No it doesn't put a damper on it.
It basically is saying that the Patterson Bigfoot may have had more hair on its chest for warmth and protection from the elements. While the Yeti may even have more hair and the bigfoots in more warmer areas may have less hair on their body.
We don't know these creatures have adapted to the environments . Example Puma's/Mountain lions vs Panthers and other big cats in Africa. They have different patterns in their fur than the North American Mountain lion to blend in and hide.
you dismissing the logic of how animals have adapted to the areas they live in and saying well Bigfoot females can not have hairy breasts. Which is a bad leap of logic since their are plenty of examples that can show that it is possible they could have.
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Post  StankApe Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:40 pm

If one has to start making exceptions for things the quality of one's case begins to dampen.... sorry, but that's the way it goes. Pointing at a monkey (which is really far away on the family tree) for an example of hairy boobs is akin to using dolphins as examples of why Mermaids could be real....
I'm 99% sure the PGF is a fake, and a mediocre fake at that. It's bolstered by the film quality and distance so when you blow it up, lots of artifacts are found which people can twist anyway they want. But when you look at the entire picture from the character of those involved to the creature itself, it's pretty obviously a hoax.

Footers don't like to hear this cuz too many of them hang their hat on Patty, I used to think it as real too, until my time on the BFF and Munn's high quality scans convinced me it was fake.
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Post  CMcMillan Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:41 pm

StankApe wrote:If one has to start making exceptions for things the quality of one's case begins to dampen.... sorry, but that's the way it goes. Pointing at a monkey (which is really far away on the family tree) for an example of hairy boobs is akin to using dolphins as examples of why Mermaids could be real....
I'm 99% sure the PGF is a fake, and a mediocre fake at that. It's bolstered by the film quality and distance so when you blow it up, lots of artifacts are found which people can twist anyway they want. But when you look at the entire picture from the character of those involved to the creature itself, it's pretty obviously a hoax.

Footers don't like to hear this cuz too many of them hang their hat on Patty, I used to think it as real too, until my time on the BFF and Munn's high quality scans convinced me it was fake.

Stank,

You are avoiding the issue. That it is Perfectly Possible that the creature that we call bigfoot may have adapted Differently than APES and Humans so they MAY have Hairy chests for females. you have to admit it IS possible if you can't admit that then your skeptism is not true Skeptism. Its SCIENCE you hold and in Science I have already shown you that it is POSSIBLE. You can admit the Patterson film is fake sure but that has nothing to do with Hairy Breasts on a female Bigfoot not able to be possible.
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Post  Woodwose Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:19 pm

StankApe wrote:That Patterson not only happened to film a critter that looked exactly like a concept drawing he made

I don't think that the drawing can really speak to the validity of the footage. From what I understand the drawing is supposed to be based on previous sightings and sketches.

So we have a catch 22 situation where we either have a hoax based on Bigfoot sightings, or footage of a creature that corresponds with previous sightings.
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Post  StankApe Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:45 am

CMcMillan wrote:
StankApe wrote:If one has to start making exceptions for things the quality of one's case begins to dampen.... sorry, but that's the way it goes. Pointing at a monkey (which is really far away on the family tree) for an example of hairy boobs is akin to using dolphins as examples of why Mermaids could be real....
I'm 99% sure the PGF is a fake, and a mediocre fake at that. It's bolstered by the film quality and distance so when you blow it up, lots of artifacts are found which people can twist anyway they want. But when you look at the entire picture from the character of those involved to the creature itself, it's pretty obviously a hoax.

Footers don't like to hear this cuz too many of them hang their hat on Patty, I used to think it as real too, until my time on the BFF and Munn's high quality scans convinced me it was fake.

Stank,

You are avoiding the issue. That it is Perfectly Possible that the creature that we call bigfoot may have adapted Differently than APES and Humans so they MAY have Hairy chests for females. you have to admit it IS possible if you can't admit that then your skeptism is not true Skeptism. Its SCIENCE you hold and in Science I have already shown you that it is POSSIBLE. You can admit the Patterson film is fake sure but that has nothing to do with Hairy Breasts on a female Bigfoot not able to be possible.


I'm not avoiding anything, It's also perfectly possible that I am quantumly transported into trillions of particles and re-assembled across the room. It is ,however, extremely unlikely.

I don't see Bluff Creek as being in a zone that would have resulted in the evolution of a completely hair covered chest like in the film. If it was filmed in Nepal or Tibet? sure, the Yeti having such a coat would make perfect sense. If there was another great ape species that exhibited this trait I'd be more inclined to agree with you on the likelihood of a fur covered breast on a great ape (human or no).

I always figured the boobs were there to cover up the ape suit chest that would have been a dead giveaway.....
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Post  CMcMillan Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:32 am

StankApe wrote:
CMcMillan wrote:
StankApe wrote:If one has to start making exceptions for things the quality of one's case begins to dampen.... sorry, but that's the way it goes. Pointing at a monkey (which is really far away on the family tree) for an example of hairy boobs is akin to using dolphins as examples of why Mermaids could be real....
I'm 99% sure the PGF is a fake, and a mediocre fake at that. It's bolstered by the film quality and distance so when you blow it up, lots of artifacts are found which people can twist anyway they want. But when you look at the entire picture from the character of those involved to the creature itself, it's pretty obviously a hoax.

Footers don't like to hear this cuz too many of them hang their hat on Patty, I used to think it as real too, until my time on the BFF and Munn's high quality scans convinced me it was fake.

Stank,

You are avoiding the issue. That it is Perfectly Possible that the creature that we call bigfoot may have adapted Differently than APES and Humans so they MAY have Hairy chests for females. you have to admit it IS possible if you can't admit that then your skeptism is not true Skeptism. Its SCIENCE you hold and in Science I have already shown you that it is POSSIBLE. You can admit the Patterson film is fake sure but that has nothing to do with Hairy Breasts on a female Bigfoot not able to be possible.


I'm not avoiding anything, It's also perfectly possible that I am quantumly transported into trillions of particles and re-assembled across the room. It is ,however, extremely unlikely.

I don't see Bluff Creek as being in a zone that would have resulted in the evolution of a completely hair covered chest like in the film. If it was filmed in Nepal or Tibet? sure, the Yeti having such a coat would make perfect sense. If there was another great ape species that exhibited this trait I'd be more inclined to agree with you on the likelihood of a fur covered breast on a great ape (human or no).

I always figured the boobs were there to cover up the ape suit chest that would have been a dead giveaway.....

Well here is your science of HOW and why a human female could have a Hairy Chest

When a woman grows hair in locations that don't usually bear hair in women, it's called "hirsutism." The hair typically crops up in areas where men tend to have hair — in the mustache or beard region, on the chest, or on the lower abdomen.

this could be due to a hormone problem. Too many of the male hormones (androgens, including testosterone) or extra-sensitivity to the presence of male hormones can cause hirsutism. Testosterone, in particular, is responsible for stimulating the hair follicle to grow hair that is darkly pigmented.

Some conditions that may cause this kind of hair growth include:
•polycystic ovarian syndrome (causing increased androgen production)
•Cushing's syndrome (a disorder of the adrenal glands that produce androgens)
•tumors of the ovaries or adrenal glands (causing increased androgen production)
•anorexia nervosa
•underactive thyroid gland (hypothyroidism)

http://www.steadyhealth.com/articles/Hirsutism_increased_hair_growth_in_women_a658.html?utm_source=steadyhealth&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=relDiRelArticles
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