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North America is full of people... Really???

Post  Tzieth on Tue May 28, 2013 7:40 pm

This is for the one or more idiots on the main blog who think the whole North American Continent is surveyed and developed and that people are just packed elbows to assholes all across it.

Nevermind Canada which the brunt of it's population only lives in the South, lets look at where I live.




And now with Satellite-Hybrid view



Like most people I live in a City.. But look just east of Vancouver and you are seeing the 2nd most Bigfoot Active region in Washington State and the only place that Sasquatch are legally protected in the U.S. (Skamania County)

Here is just a little east

Notice how the roads decrease drastically? This is the Yacolt area where Bigfoot sightings start.


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Post  Tzieth on Tue May 28, 2013 8:07 pm

Here is a little more east well into Skamania County where Sasquatch are Protected. (And no roads)



As you can see it is just crawling with people everywhere :O

Here is just north of that



Now if this area was crawling with people we would have had the worst disaster in U.S. History as far as loss of life. That white thing you are looking at is what is left of Mount St.Helens. Near it is where the most Sasquatch Activity is reported other than the Olympic Peninsula, and where Ape Canyon is.

Here is the overview of my region of Washington


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Post  paul830 on Thu May 30, 2013 5:42 am

This whole phenomenon seems to parked right at your back door. I'd definitely go squatching there.

What you said about Canadians living south is very true. In almost every province ( state ) the population is grouped down near the U.S border. This actually puts a large population in Ontario lower in latitude than parts of several U.S states.

Ontario is one of the most populated provinces with the vast majority living near the great lake areas. The lower eighth of it is so highly deforested that 90% of the forests that do exist are from replanting done in the 20th century. It is mostly farmland and towns. However, there still seems to be enough forest to support wildlife. Small strips and patches of forests are all that's needed for coyotes, deer and mountain lions to be roaming right into cities and towns. When looked at on a map, it seems to hardly make sense. Forests look like tiny isolated patches. On a satellite image, It looks like it's mostly pavement! From Oshawa all the way down to Windsor ( 200 miles or so across lake Ontario and Erie ) it's quite flat and quite developed.

So, in Canada, the majority of land is uninhabited. That's true. The southern areas with the highest population are very devoid of forest cover for hundreds of miles yet wildlife seems to find it's way right through the farmlands and right into the city anyway.

The area you're displaying could house anything and so could many others. I'm constantly surprised by what I see here and how, on a map, it doesn't add up. Yet all these large animals are still appearing, in this rolling expanse of suburbia. Take a forested area greater than 5 miles squared and I wouldn't guess what could be living in it. Nature always finds a way.
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north of north america/lower canada

Post  sasdave on Thu May 30, 2013 1:55 pm

Tzeith / paul830 : I'm living on Vancouver Island a area that has its' dense areas. It appears they travel the tree line as my siting was up just outside of Campbell River city limits. The dense cities appear to not prevent their habitat. With all the logging on this island there are still dense areas where man does not place his little feet. Also there are many caves and old mines these grand creatures can call home. In my opinion there are still many hot spots that they tend to stay around more, water areas and treed areas and these areas are near populated areas. These creatures are a smart bunch and their existance just proves your point, that not all areas are populated with humans. Nanaimo and Duncan river(s) have had their share of sitings. Have a great day guys.

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Re: North America is full of people... Really???

Post  Tzieth on Thu May 30, 2013 4:15 pm

Yeah I was going to post your section of Canada, Sasdave but I was running out of time. Vancouver Island is another "Hot-Spot" and it's right next to Washington's #1 Hot Spot (The Olympic Peninsula).

I posted Washington State because Canada should go without saying, but when people make that argument as to why more people do not see Sasquatches because the whole continent is developed I have to shake my head. I do not know if this is one Anom pretending to be multiples or if it is multiples, but I figured I would put this up to show how people live. (Cities). But the one thing that caught my attention is that this person/persons kept saying "North America" or "The Americas" as if they weren't from North America. Most North Americans would say "U.S. and Canada" or "Canada and the U.S." or just "America"

Sure enough the majority of the Guest Balloons that were popping up,were in Latvia, Ukraine, Southern China, Moldova, Lithuania, Germany and England. Other than Lithuania and Germany, none of the other places looked like they could support much cover for a Sasquatch type creature. England came as the biggest shock to me. I mean we get all those BBC shows over here and I see these little villages on T.V. and in my mind, england had a lot of rural areas. But looking at the Satellite, I was shocked to see how overpopulated it was. The most vast rural areas were fields and farmland. They have areas with national Park sign labels "Such and Such Wood" But these places don't look like they are any more but a few acres tops. Then you realize that many of North America's forested patches are actually bigger than many of these other countries.

I guess I was using my own environment and perception of T.V. and judging Europe on this. If they are doing the same, I guess I can see why they would think we were over populated.

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hmm I guess you were overcast when this was taken, Sasdave lol




Yep.. Just like most Pacific NorthWest Cities, you have a pocket of civilization surrounded by forest.




Oh so that there is no confusion, Sasdave and myself do not live in the same place. Vancouver B.C., Vancouver Island B.C., and Vancouver Washington are three different places with the same name in pretty much the same region. This caused problems during the last winter Olympics lol. I live in the most confusing city in the world because of this, so Vancouver Washington made up a slogan.

Vancouver:Not B.C.
In Washington:Not D.C.
Near Portland: Oregon, not Maine
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Re: North America is full of people... Really???

Post  paul830 on Thu May 30, 2013 4:54 pm

Yes and I'm in Ontario - Canada not California. We don't have the confusion problem much because Ontario Canada is about 10,000 times larger in area than the one in California.

Vancouver Washington can be a confusing as it's close to Vancouver British Columbia.

Also all Canadians don't speak french or live in Igloos. Prime minister Pierre Trudeau made it mandatory for us to all learn French until high school but most of it is forgotten by the age of 20. We all live in houses and drive cars....on the right side of the road.

I guess there'd be more sightings in Canada being that there's more forest coverage but the U.S population is 10x of what ours is almost exactly. The reports should be about 10x less but I think they might be even less than that.

If you have a a great expanse of old growth forests stretching for hundreds or even thousands of miles, the sighting report could be 0 if the population is low enough, which it usually is. The places that are on the outskirts of urban/suburban areas would produce the most reports as it has the highest population combined with some contact with wilderness.

The vast majority of sightings are in southern B.C where sasdave is with an increasing number coming out in Ontario and Alberta. The Prairie provinces have almost none. Also the province of Quebec which is large and very forested gets very few sighting reports but it is quite higher in latitude and is generally colder. Also, maybe there are more reports that I just don't understand because they speak french there.
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No places for bigfoot...

Post  sasdave on Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:51 pm

Tzeith; You are right Vancouver Island is a hot spot. If I can remember correctly, My first story I read about regarding the sasquatch it was sited a short distance distance north Vancouver B.C. Canada. It appears now on this island the city counsel of Nanaimo will be draining all the water from a couple of dams in the southern part of the city. This is one area that I received info from a few sources of a family of 3 sasquatch(s) living in that area. This is suppose to be a park and one of the better ones in this town of drunkards. The fear is that if there is a earth quake the Harewood area will be flooded, For over 25 years I have heard this trash; just so they can build more damn homes; instead, of building under ground like the sasquatch and the secret government. With the underground base here in Nanaimo and the one in Nanoose, why wipe out the small amount of trees and water sheds. There are so many that won't believe that these creatures exist; yet, many don't even believe the government have been building underground bases for years to hide from their evil deeds. Are the two linked I'd have to be brain dead to say no. I am just hoping the sasquatch are smart enough to not be linked with our government or their murder machine the military. Just my opinion, believe it or not.

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Re: North America is full of people... Really???

Post  Tzieth on Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:47 am

How is your military a murder machine? Your country has a history of staying out of wars as much as possible
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Post  Ravinoff on Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:47 pm

Tzieth wrote:How is your military a murder machine? Your country has a history of staying out of wars as much as possible

We make a hell of a name for ourselves when we do, though. Same with most of the Commonwealth countries, plus Nepal (the Ghurkas are some seriously crazy dudes).
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Post  sasdave on Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:55 pm

Tzieth; Maybe I used the wrong slang or slant on that point. Yet, the underground bunker base that was not cemented in was constructed to protect the so called officials in a war disaster. The nanoose underground base is leased to the american military arm and our federal government, prevented our province from shutting it down. Harper and his relationship with the Bush clan has allowed the sending of boys, girls, men and woman, mothers and fathers into a war that shouldn't of happened. (Canada could of stayed out of that one.) If the commanders are allowed to murder their own, that is a good definition to a murder machine. So any group that believe murdering just like those that want to murder a sasquiatch and think it is a means to good are a murder machine. May be a bad definition to be using for the so called militaries etc, that use its' people to murder to make them feel superior. Yes, Canada may have a history of staying out of wars as much as possible; but, they are good at covering or supposedly cementing over the evil they have been in, not saying they haven't helped the so called cause. From my undestanding after the second world war people that were displaced were sent to alberta to work in the sugar cane fields, sun up to sun down. That's one reason I hope the sasquatch are not teamed with the military; yet, that may explain why their is a family or more up near the base and the military and the governments don't want the sasquatch existance known? Personally I hope I am completely wrong.

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Post  Ravinoff on Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:20 pm

sasdave wrote:Tzieth; Maybe I used the wrong slang or slant on that point. Yet, the underground bunker base that was not cemented in was constructed to protect the so called officials in a war disaster. The nanoose underground base is leased to the american military arm and our federal government, prevented our province from shutting it down. Harper and his relationship with the Bush clan has allowed the sending of boys, girls, men and woman, mothers and fathers into a war that shouldn't of happened. (Canada could of stayed out of that one.) If the commanders are allowed to murder their own, that is a good definition to a murder machine. So any group that believe murdering just like those that want to murder a sasquiatch and think it is a means to good are a murder machine. May be a bad definition to be using for the so called militaries etc, that use its' people to murder to make them feel superior. Yes, Canada may have a history of staying out of wars as much as possible; but, they are good at covering or supposedly cementing over the evil they have been in, not saying they haven't helped the so called cause. From my undestanding after the second world war people that were displaced were sent to alberta to work in the sugar cane fields, sun up to sun down. That's one reason I hope the sasquatch are not teamed with the military; yet, that may explain why their is a family or more up near the base and the military and the governments don't want the sasquatch existance known? Personally I hope I am completely wrong.

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Post  Tzieth on Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:58 am

I do not know a lot about your military. We used to train with them from time to time, but never side by side. I do not know your countries politics at all. But Bush had a bad rap from the get go. He was not half the war-monger than our own media made him out to be. Nor was it him who polarized my country. When he first got elected, Democrats actually started the polarizing stating the election was fixed and yada yada yada (It was close and and Democrats kept asking for a recount as Florida at the time was completely messed up with how they had their voting booths set up.) When Florida gave their count in, Bush ended up winning that state by a landslide. (This should not have came a surprise considering the Governor of Florida at that time was his Brother, Jeb Bush)

When we were attacked on September 11, 2001, Bush was looked at as some sort of Messiah by both Republicans and Democrats. The only countries that opposed invading Iraq were Germany and France. After we toppled Saddam's Government, we found that Iraq was illegally trading with both France and Germany receiving crates of French and German small arms and we found that the whole U.N. was corrupt (Oil for food scandal)

Now there were two driving forces they media pitched as to why we were invading Iraq.
1. They had direct ties to Osama Bin'Laden
2. They had weapons of Mass Destruction

#1 turned out to be untrue. Not only did Saddam have no connection with Osama, but Osama wanted him dead as well (Saddam was not a true Muslim in Bin'Laden's eyes) As for number 2 (WMD's) that gets tricky. We know he had them because this was the very reason sanctions were tightened on Iraq... Okay I think I need to make things clear before I say this... Operation Desert Storm (1st Gulf war) never ended. George HW Bush (George W Bush's father) did not want the mess that Bush jr was later dealing with. By Geneva Convention law, if you destroy a country, it is your responsibility to rebuild that country. This is actually why Iraq existed in the first place. The Allies had defeated the Ottoman Empire in World War One, and then divided it up among themselves. Prior to that, there was no Iraq or Iran. We set those Governments up. So George HW Bush agreed to a cease fire that had terms that were to be enforced by the U.N. He was not to gain any capital from his own oil, and he was not to have an offensive Military because that mess started by him invading Kuwait. And he was most certainly not allowed to have WMD's as he demonstrated that he would launch scuds at a whim. (He was firing scuds at Israel during that whole war and they were not even fighting Iraq.

George HW Bush then looses to Bill Clinton. While Clinton was President, Saddam started acting up again and gassing his own people (The Kurd's). That alone was demonstrating that he still had WMD's and the U.N. did not seem to care as they were turning a blind eye to Iraq and focusing on Bosnia.

When "W" was elected he was already focusing on the U.N. resolutions regarding Iraq. The U.N. would go to send inspectors there and Saddam would prevent them from coming in when they wanted to. Then he would let them in and say "You can look here, here and here, but not there!" They would say "We want to look there!" and he would say "Screw you this is my country and you have no right to look there!" So the inspectors would take this back to the U.N. who would threaten with more sanctions, and then a few months later, Saddam would say "Fine you can look there!" and this game went on and on and that was about the time we got hit. It was not just the Bush administration that thought Al qaeda was in league with Saddam, every branch of Government did. When that turned out to not be true, the fingers pointed at Bush, even though that info came from the CIA and Donald Rumsfeld.

We won the war quickly and when we did, we set up checkpoints on all of Iraq's main roads heading in and out of Iraq. At this time, Saddam was missing and we wanted to make sure he could not escape nor move his WMD's out. We did not find WMD's but what we did find was Iraqi trucks returning to Iraq from Syria containing empty drums with Nerve Agent residue on them. (And what is going on in Syria right now? Gasing their rebels with an agent they were not supposed to have?) So Bush is starting to become a little Vindicated as far as the WMD thing goes.

Operation Iraqi Freedom was over long ago. What people are calling "The War" was actually reconstruction and every Geneva Convention country has to do this. We did it in WWI and we did it in WWII. The difference is that Most of Germany were not Nazi's, and Japan followed the Bushido Code. That whole country was ready to take their own lives had the Emperor ordered it. Instead he ordered them to abide by us. This is why we had no problems with those countries like we do Iraq or Afghanistan where you have different sects of people who have been fighting for centuries. These are people who only respond to dictators. This is how the Ottoman Turks took the Middle East and how the Persians took it centuries before them. They all started out as warlords who conquered rival warlords and kept it up until they had the whole middle East

As for this hidden base you refer to, it was most likely made during the cold war. Things were different back then I remember the fear as a kid that the Soviets could nuke us at any moment. Then there was that movie "The Morning After" and the fear got worse. lol But the thought was that If the Soviets were to Invade the U.S., they would first Invade Canada and that is probably what the bunker you speak of is or was for.

I served in the U.S. Army for ten years. I did not enlist to kill people. I enlisted because I love my country and it was a way for me to give back. The End of the Desert Storm, Bosnia, Haiti, and Somalia were the Hot Spots while I served. I was never in Somalia but I had friends who were. But in the other Hot Spots, we were not allowed to return fire even if we were fired upon. (How messed up is that?) I never killed anyone, but I have built schools in Thailand and homes in Honduras. I met their soldiers and they were all good fun-loving happy guys (Especially the Thai's)

Though I never had in the field contact with the Canadian Army, we would see them at the Clubs on post and hang out with them. What I did notice is that they did not seem so war happy like we were and they were cool guys to hang out with.

Do I think the U.S. Government is corrupt and full of Conspiracies? Hell yeah I do and the Canadian Government probably is as well... But it's not the military that calls the shots.. That's all I am saying Smile
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Post  paul830 on Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:19 am

Why did I get the feeling this was going to turn into a Canada/U.S discussion? Maybe I'm partly to blame because I kept bringing it up. And how did so many Canadians get on here?

Your assessment of International U.S military involvement and World war II is very astute.

I think after Sept 11th a lot of the politics revolved around why the rest of the world hates the U.S. I mean, just go to any stupid youtube comments section to watch that war rage on. Utterly stupid but hey people let their kids do whatever they want on the internet. Not me.

Biases are formed out of ignorance or a lack of education and have no place.

I generally like Americans. sometimes more than your average Canadian whom I feel is not as politically aware or motivated and takes very little responsibility for all the rights that they were so lucky to inherit. Americans are much more proactive and involved in the political process. The warfare with other countries for securing allies and business interests are what the rest of the world, Canadians and even Americans are complaining about.

The average Canadian sees American citizens as oppressed by a military/Industrial/media complex fueled mainly by blind patriotism. This makes it easy for a Canadian to sit and judge but more thoughtful Canadians realize that we're not really that different and are sympathetic to the American people for enduring the last few decades of a government that is more pro-business and pro-war than people's rights.

Canadians are more known for peacekeeping forces sent in after conflicts but do occasionally have some earlier presence in wars as well. Canada sent in 2,000 troops into Afghanistan in 2002 as well as into Iraq during 'Desert storm'. There were also Canadians sent to Iraq as exchanges to fight in American units in the later Invasions.

Canada's apathy of late is because most Canadians have felt that although the acts of Sept 11th threatened our security, overtime, we have also become suspicious and cynical regarding many of the actions surrounding it. We generally feel that it has been used to delude people on what we feel is faulty or even contrived information. As do a lot of Americans now too.

The military industrial complex has been gaining power for 50 plus years. I think they took over completely under W.
I didn't see any change on the horizon when Obama took office. I saw right through the whole Obama campaign form the start. It was slick and Hollywood. It wasn't going to 'change' anything at all. I saw people falling for it anyway. I couldn't believe it. Then the economy collapsed. Not Obama's fault really but that's where it's going and he isn't getting it out of the situation or going to change anything. America needs a third party and a whole bunch of politicians who aren't multimillionaires and business people.

Everything that happens south of the border ends up happening here later. Canadians haven't woken up to this reality yet. We just sit around being married gays and smoking pot all day. Well not really.

One more thing. We do revere socialism. I think that comes from being taught tolerance, to be sympathetic and realize that some people have disadvantages that are sometimes insurmountable, whether it be a lack of education, poverty, disability, mental disease etc. Any other form of society to us seems cruel. To many Americans it seems like fostering and rewarding weakness and is the antithesis of capitalism ( I'd guess ). That is where some Americans and Canadians do diverge and what has prevented me from living in a warmer climate in the winter. That form of socialism is very close to what exists in France, the U.K and many Northern European countries, which all share a lot of freedom and very high standards of living. Canadians instinctively know when an American is getting blindly-patriotic when we hear ' I live in the only free country in the world! '. We usually start thinking about all these great countries, especially our own and then we just shake our heads and ask where do these people come from and who's telling them this? How much more insular can you get?

I don't want to offend any of my friends in the U.S. I happen to think the United States IS one of the greatest countries in the world and has created a modern political ideology while trying to create a utopia that has unfortunately and inevitably fallen into the wrong hands and we hope you can get it back. Just like we're trying to do. It's easy for me to criticize/condemn any of this stuff, I just hope for the best for the American people themselves.

I know this is long, I just wanted to give you an objective opinion. As a Canadian we're at an advantage for that. Close to 80% of the t.v we watch are on American stations. It's just because there's much more of those on t.v. We are inadvertently aware of what goes on in the U.S 24/7. Almost as if we're living in it. That is definitely what it feels like sometimes. Then we turn off the t.v and all of a sudden we're in a different country. Really, really similar but different. Then we go to the hospital at 12am and wait to see a doctor until 3am free of charge, get a prescription for antibiotics, stop at Tim Horton's, go home, smoke pot and go to bed. Well not really. We go get our antibiotic prescription at the all night Shopper's drug mart store and have to pay $50.00 for it dammit. Unless the company we work for has a drug plan. ( many don't ).

( I edited this later because it was entirely too long and some parts were just unnecessary )


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Post  paul830 on Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:27 am

I always find it funny when I reply to something you've said. I see the avatars and think ' hey look two sasquatches are talking to each other on here '.
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Post  sasdave on Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:05 pm

Ravinoff, Tzieth, Paul830, next time I will not mention the war; except, for the fact that we as canadians and americans, we fund our governments to represent us honestly. Regarding their honesty about ufos', sasquatch, area51 etc; where is, the honesty there is none. So regarding the W they are as honest as their view regarding the blue book. The media doesn't help so who do you trust. The media get away with lying through their nonexistant teeth and the governments go along with it as it appears the joke is always on the people; even, if a bunch get murdered. The proof and truth regarding the sasquatch etc has never been delt with honestly so why would they start now. In many cases it is hard to believe what happens on the top side of the earth, so do you think it is easier to believe there are towns of humans or aliens under our feet. Yes, too much to think about as our governments and military still use us as slaves to do their dirty work. Mind you I could be full of sasquatch crap, oh right they don't exist cause the government etc says so. No disrespect to the peaceful sasquatch.

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Post  Tzieth on Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:20 pm

Oh, no offense taken at all Paul... And it was not my intent to turn this into U.S.vs Canada.. I am sort of outnumbered there anyway. lol

I was trying to explain the U.S. situation being as un political as I could. I am a hard core conservative, but that does not mean I trust the Republican Party. (Bush Started Homeland Security and that violates every belief that a true Republican should hold dear.) I was not even trying to get into politics, simply defend the military be it Canada or the U.S.

Conservative beliefs are not about "Getting rich" as U.S. Liberals/Democrats would have you believe. Basically it is about freedom. Where Democrats want the Government to regulate everything, "Republicans" want small government. (That is the mask they ware but in truth both Republicans and Democrats (Those in Political Office) simply want to get rich in different ways.)

Ironically it was Republicans that Started "Big Government" with the Federalist movement. Before that we were a Confederacy (Which is the ideal Government as it is hard to corrupt.) Before the Federalist movement, All thirteen States had to vote yes, inorder for a Bill to pass into Law. If so much as little Rhode Island said "No" then the Bill would not pass. All Thirteen States voted on our first Bill of rights. All States voted "Yes" on freedom of speech and the right to form militia and bare arms. Each State was it's own Soverign Nation and could make all the silly laws it wanted to as long as it did not violate the U.S. Constitution. And to this day some states still have these silly laws such as how you can't shoot a Buffalo from a second story window of a hotel or you can't chew gum while walking on a sidewalk etc... But the beauty of it was that if you did not like the laws of one State, you were still a U.S. Citizen and could move to another state. New York could be as Socialist as they want, California could have a King, Texas could form it's own Army and defend it's own boarder and freely trade with Cuba. None of that would have any effect on the neighboring State and each State pulls it's own weight.

Our problem with Socialisim is that it is too easily corrupted. Well more than that it is destened to be corrupted. The Government owns everything and controls what they do not own.People who run for office has an agenda of seeking power.. They don't care about the values and beliefs that they preach to get your vote. (If they did things would actually change) They are all Ambitious. The guy who finally sits at the top was the most ambitious out of all of them. I mean if you are a Senator to "serve your country" then why did you run? Why arn't the Senate and the hose members chosen at random as if it was a jury dudty summons? where they serve one year and then get out with a nice pension? No these people get elected and stay in sometimes for life and that is just begging for corruption. Hiding Socialisim behind Democracy is even worse.

Now you have this Healthcare but at what cost? The first thing I learned when I was in the army was that these civilian doctors working at the Military hospitals were working there and not in a civilian hospital for a reason.. THEY SUCK!!!.. You get the bottom of the barrel because no matter what they get paid.

This is where the classic Republican Tax cuts for the rich come into play.. Don't get me wrong, this is so they get richer lol.. But it creates jobs. If these rich guys pay less tax per what they make, then they have the money to hire more people. Clinton Started taxing the heck out of our major corporations and that only forced them to outsource or up and leave the country for greener pastures in China and India.. (The unemployment was actually started by Clinton, but the media likes current contriversy lol)

I am in no way trying to be political, just stating the common believe of U.S. Conservatives. We are not war happy and if we had it our TRUE way we would stay out of these forign conflicts. But to be fair, these same countries that hate us are the very same guys who were begging us to get involved in WWII.. And WWI for that matter (Minus Germany.. they did not want us there both times lol) Each time we tried to look the other way or say it was none of our buisness, we were still dragged into it. The U.N. looks at us like the world police and then hates us for doing what they asked us to do, or refused to do themselves. Obama seems no different because he is just finding out what Bush already knew.. Someone HAS to get involved in the middle east or it could start WWIII. Those guys hate Western Europe just as much as they do the U.S. If we let it sit, then there will be mass fighting and no one will get oil. There could be a new dictator warlord that makes a new Ottoman Empire or Persia and he may reuse to sell the West anything at all.

This is the view of all the western Goverments weather they admit it or not, they all know this to be true.. We have the technology now to make alternative fuels such as bio-fuel and Alaska and Canada both have huge oil reserves most of which are untapped and that is the Democrats secret agenda.. The only difference between Republicans in office and Democrats in office is that one wants to be rich right now (Republicans) and one wants to be richer later (Democrats). If the U.S. and Canada started drilling our reserves now, we would both be completely pulled out of recession. But do it later when the Middle East is tapped out and North America
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Post  Tzieth on Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:29 pm

woah.. disregard that wall of text if it even makes sense.. This is my weekend and I am a bit drunk lol.. Sorry. Lets get back to Bigfoots in North America lol
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Post  paul830 on Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:44 am

I know this isn't a Canada vs U.S debate and I won't treat it that way. I wouldn't be offended by anything said because I'm more interested in different points of view and hopefully learning something.

There are good points to be made about nearly everything you've brought up and usually it's the same old robbing Peter to pay Paul type stuff. Or who do we take the money from and where do we invest it?

It's funny how you brought up doctors. One thing often cited in Canada is the 'brain drain' or education following the money and moving south of the border where the incomes can be much higher for certain fields. Our local G.P doctors have to go through about 8 years of schooling to get to where they are and generally have everything covered and end up making well above $80,000.00 a year. Whereas specialists can make more and they are often the ones you see moving south. Along with all the tech fields. ( Our dollar is on par with the U.S dollar and usually is. For a few years it wasn't and we never heard the end of the Canadian 'peso'. It sometimes is even higher than the U.S dollar but usually on par ).

There's problems with both sides of the picture. It's all about Republican vs Democrat. We have Conservatives vs. Liberals vs. New Democratic party and a small handful of others. It keeps things interesting for sure and gives a wider variety of opinions but also creates other problems as well. Three parties would be best. One extreme left, one extreme right and one centrist party right smack in the middle where most people actually truly live. That is what I'd like to see in the U.S. but the way it's set up there's not much chance of it happening. The smaller percentage always ends up with nothing.

Right now I see a polarized U.S at odds with itself. That isn't good for government because all sides are never heard. The majority feels ignored and everyone has to pick sides. The sides they end up on, they often don't completely agree with either. That's the part that sucks. Even in the media I don't see all sides of an issue. It's all pandering to one side or another. That's a great way for people to be controlled. Put them in two opposing camps.

O.k, done with the politics. Just always interesting to me. Just one more thing about Canada. Freezing cold in the winter, boiling hot in the summer. ( For the majority of the population that live in southern parts of Canada, not waaay up north. Still cool there ). Lots and lots of unexplored forest areas. I live about 2 1/2 hours away from old growth forests in Temagami and only 2 hrs from Algonquin park. All around me here in my direct area are just houses, more houses, highways, shopping malls, houses, starbucks, targets, gas stations, McDonald's and more houses.

Anyway, bigfoot. Nothing's happening. See this forum? we're discussing politics. That's how dead it is. Hopefully this year something will happen. Whatever Sykes comes up with or doesn't is going to hold a lot of influence for me. That is until I see one myself. In the meantime I won't deny its existence, I just won't be as interested as I still am right now.
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Post  Tzieth on Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:47 pm

On that note... I was looking at the Sat-views of other places with Bigfoot sightings such as Ohio and then I was looking at places where Dogman has been reported. The first thing I noticed was that those areas seemed to have pockets of wooded areas but nothing I would consider a huge forest (Except Minnesota and Louisiana). So I was contemplating weather or not it was actually scientifically plausible to shape-shift. To do a form of micro-evolution on the spot and there are a few cases of it found in cephalopods and some reptiles (Limb regeneration, color change, and the way a cuttlefish or octopus can change not only their shape and color, but even the texture of their skin to match rocks). While I was looking at the Satellite views of these areas, I found one thing in common. They are all "New France" except for Texas but the area of Texas where these are reported are near Louisiana in an area that France did have colonies before the Spanish drove them out. The other areas of Texas where "Werewolf" sightings occur are areas where German settlements were.

Werewolves were more French and German monsters than they were English. You can trace stories of Werewolves in the Colonies as far back as you can trace Bigfoot stories. Kind of has me wondering if these things aren't true werewolves lol.

You can make the argument that they were seeing their own superstitions, but then why are Anglo-descended people seeing them now?... Just one of those things that make you go "Hmmm..." lol
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Post  paul830 on Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:44 pm

I'm not touching that with a barge pole. Too wildly speculatory. I do enough of that as it is and need to reel myself back when I'm getting ahead of myself.

Kind of reminds me of all these wacky theories about Sept 11th. Most are just wild assumptions about why and how it happened instead of looking at what actually did happen and working up from 'ground' zero. I mean what do we know for certain before we go and start connecting small strands of ideas together about it?

The ability of an animal to 'shape-shift' is interesting though. I've seen examples of cuttlefish doing some very strange things.
Why not get a list of the craziest shape-shifting examples in animals? Mammals would be more interesting however. I can't think of any that do.

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Post  Ravinoff on Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:25 am

paul830 wrote:I'm not touching that with a barge pole. Too wildly speculatory. I do enough of that as it is and need to reel myself back when I'm getting ahead of myself.

Kind of reminds me of all these wacky theories about Sept 11th. Most are just wild assumptions about why and how it happened instead of looking at what actually did happen and working up from 'ground' zero. I mean what do we know for certain before we go and start connecting small strands of ideas together about it?

The ability of an animal to 'shape-shift' is interesting though. I've seen examples of cuttlefish doing some very strange things.
Why not get a list of the craziest shape-shifting examples in animals? Mammals would be more interesting however. I can't think of any that do.


Two words: mimic octopus. Can modify itself to look like a ray, a sea snake, any number of things. Unfortunately, cephalopods have a real advantage over everything else in this field. We vertebrates with our calcified endoskeletons (and insects, crustaceans and most other life forms, whether housing their skeletal system inside the body or outside it) can't morph our bodies beyond simple things like contraction to fit through small spaces.
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Post  Tzieth on Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:38 am

Ravinoff wrote:
paul830 wrote:I'm not touching that with a barge pole. Too wildly speculatory. I do enough of that as it is and need to reel myself back when I'm getting ahead of myself.

Kind of reminds me of all these wacky theories about Sept 11th. Most are just wild assumptions about why and how it happened instead of looking at what actually did happen and working up from 'ground' zero. I mean what do we know for certain before we go and start connecting small strands of ideas together about it?

The ability of an animal to 'shape-shift' is interesting though. I've seen examples of cuttlefish doing some very strange things.
Why not get a list of the craziest shape-shifting examples in animals? Mammals would be more interesting however. I can't think of any that do.


Two words: mimic octopus. Can modify itself to look like a ray, a sea snake, any number of things. Unfortunately, cephalopods have a real advantage over everything else in this field. We vertebrates with our calcified endoskeletons (and insects, crustaceans and most other life forms, whether housing their skeletal system inside the body or outside it) can't morph our bodies beyond simple things like contraction to fit through small spaces.

True, but Lizards that regenerate is in that same field. But on the topic of insects.. Moths and Butterfly's. Going from a worm like creature to an insect with an exoskeleton, legs and wings. Everything changes including the diet. How do they do it? I am not speaking of the cocoon, I mean chemically how is this done? And genetically what is done? Take that into account and then take into account that all mammalian embryos look the exact same shape and size at one point of their development. Pointy heads, four nubs and a tail... Considering this, Shape-shifting does not seem so far-fetched. (Not that I believe in werewolves lol. But there are these Dogman sightings and they seem to be in places that things should not be able to hide so well)
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North America is full of sasquatch...Really?

Post  sasdave on Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:39 pm

Paul830, Your oh so right why even touch it with a barge pole theories stink with no proof. Just like the 911 take down and cover-up. Really doesn't prove anything; except, if the sasquatch doesn't exist then neither does the secret government and all the corporations making big bucks off of w_ _. Since, my experiance in 76/77 I have witnessed a blatant cover up by scientists, government and the media, on top those that use this subject to sell their beer and now music concerts. The tax payers of canada and the usa are not getting the truth. I know it is hard to believe for some that sasquatch exist and like wise that our governments have our intrests at heart. Regarding the stealthness of the sasquatch the governments etc are holding back the info that would explain the real truths and cover ups regarding not just their dirty deeds; but, those in the need to know group. Sure my theories may stink of sasquatch crap; yet, I'd rather be a friend of the sasquatch then a government(s) that has no respect for its' people as murder is not the way to peace and enlightenment. Believe it or not.

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