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Post  CMcMillan on Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:08 am

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Post  Woodwose on Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:51 am

I'm inclined to think it's someone in a suit. Aspects like the frozen expres​sion(contrary to Davis' assertion that it grimaces), and the deep-set socket eyes are indicative of a mask and the fur looks and moves like it's attached to fabric rather than skin.

There is however another way of looking at this which relates to the recent discussion about bigfoot eye-shine. If you are of the opinion that bigfoot has tapetum lucidum then the conspicuous absence of that trait in this footage must surely point to this being a hoax. The alternative (assuming this footage were real) would be that bigfoot clearly doesn't have tapetum lucidum and all footage and accounts involving eye-shine must be discounted.

If however - like myself- you think that there are very good reasons to doubt that bigfoot would be equipped with tapetum lucidum, then (at a push) I suppose that you could see that as a good reason to think this footage is genuine.............the only problem being that a man in a suit would also lack signs of tapetum lucidum.

I wonder if any hoaxers have thought of using reflective contact lenses Twisted Evil
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Post  BurdenOfProof on Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:39 am

Hoax.
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Post  CMcMillan on Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:24 am

Why is it a Hoax?
Just saying it is doesn't make it so.
What is your reason and proof that it is?
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Post  BurdenOfProof on Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:45 am

Well to start with the default position to take on any ambiguous video is that it is a hoax. We have no evidence to suggest otherwise. The logical scientific explanation is its a man in a suit.
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Post  CMcMillan on Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:47 am

What your reason that it is a hoax is why would someone be taking a movie in the woods?
No reason for this person to be filming where they were walking?
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Post  StankApe on Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:50 pm

well, for one thing, it defies all the statements made that "Bigfoot is secretive and elusive" if he can hear us coming a mile away and knows his environment so well, why would he sit there looking straight ahead at a bumbling human carrying a camera with a big light on it?

Not to mention that it conveniently waits to be in frame then turns and darts away....
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Post  CMcMillan on Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:28 pm

StankApe wrote:well, for one thing, it defies all the statements made that "Bigfoot is secretive and elusive" if he can hear us coming a mile away and knows his environment so well, why would he sit there looking straight ahead at a bumbling human carrying a camera with a big light on it?

Not to mention that it conveniently waits to be in frame then turns and darts away....

So in your theory all animals will behave exactly the same in every situation. Same as every human?
what makes big foot any different than a human or an animal?

Now I am not saying this is a real bigfoot but just screaming its a hoax and then saying well they aren't suppose to act that way is not reason to say its a hoax.

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Post  StankApe on Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:34 pm

It's every reason to say it's a hoax!!!!

You footers are trying to have your cake and eat it too. We ask "where is the good footage?" you say "they are elusive and can smell game cameras and they hear us coming and escape"

Then a silly video like this one pops up (seriously the guy is scrambling through the brush and breathing hard) and first catches a bit of the subject and scans back and boom, we get a nice full face and a dart off camera to the left. Nicely centered in the fram, but not there long enough to get any real detail. And when we ask "hmm, so which is it? elusive and secretive? or just hangs out in some brush until the guy can get the light centered on it?"

It's a fake... seriously? even the most hardcore of folks have declared it a fake.

Having an open mind means considering all of the options, it doesn't mean accepting everything is real and putting your fingers in your ears and going "lalalalalla" when somebody gives you a logical explanation of why something is fake.
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Post  CMcMillan on Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:56 pm

When Have I said that this film is real.
Seriously your reading way to much into it.
I asked why you felt it was.
I counter with so this one may not act like others since it has its own brain. Just like animals and humans. They don't all act the same.
So you say I am not skeptical enough.
I think you are not being honest in your Skeptical thinking.
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Post  SasquaiNation on Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:15 pm

M.K. Davis is a dedicated and determined person, I'll give him that. Quite a few of his stabilizations and enhancements are very well done.This is not one of those in my opinion. I didn't gain any added knowledge from this work.
It seems kind of odd that this Bigfoot was caught off guard at night by a guy with a camera and light. Almost every animal is aware of human presence before the human ever sees the animal.
Animals can be caught off guard if they're preoccupied though. I can only say that I've NEVER startled one at night.


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Post  StankApe on Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:16 pm

i don't think you are being honest in your claim of skeptical thinking.

the starting point of any video, photograph or whatever of a claimed undiscovered creature should be attempting to discredit either the subject, the manner it was filmed/shot and who submitted it. When you have results, you should try to prove they are wrong. if you can't then you can move to the next level.

Evidence stands on it's own. If it must be defended then it's probably not very good.
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Post  CMcMillan on Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:01 pm

StankApe wrote:i don't think you are being honest in your claim of skeptical thinking.

the starting point of any video, photograph or whatever of a claimed undiscovered creature should be attempting to discredit either the subject, the manner it was filmed/shot and who submitted it. When you have results, you should try to prove they are wrong. if you can't then you can move to the next level.

Evidence stands on it's own. If it must be defended then it's probably not very good.

That is your thinking of how to discredit them.
I look at it and go yea it could be and it could be a man in suit or cgi.
But when someone like you jumps in and goes HOAX right away. Then explains well bigfoot isn't suppose to act that way to get caught like that. Yet we can explain why other animals and people don't act the way we expect.
Example : Rabies makes nocturnal animals come out during the day.
How do we not know that this Bigfoot may have been sick or ill. We don't but it is a possibility isn't it.
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Post  GT3Paul on Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:28 am

One thing that debunks the theory that is a suit is that in the close up of the face the nose pinches up and the lips move.
If thats a mask its one of the best masks in film history.
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Post  Beer-Man on Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:32 am

I'm with u GT. This has always been one of my favorites. The reaction the sasquatch gives when the light shines on his face is all I need.
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Post  StankApe on Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:28 am

lol, then you haven't much information about masks.... they move,


seriously, when the footers say it's fake , it's effing fake
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Post  CMcMillan on Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:41 am

Stank,
Your confusing Makeup with a Mask. Most Mask's don't move.
A person who was in a full makeup the mouth could move.
I suggest you watch Syfy channels Makeup show where they create monster makeup.
Did a quick search on google for any Images of a Bigfoot mask that matches whats in the video I don't pull up anything.
So it would have to be a custom make up job. So then you should be able to track down if the person who shot it was involved in making a movie or something.

http://www.wisconsinbigfoot.com/images/sasquatch.jpg[/img]







http://chuckjarman.deviantart.com/gallery/?offset=48#/d1ivne5



http://themaskmandan.deviantart.com/art/Bigfoot-82450712?q=boost%3Apopular%20bigfoot%20mask&qo=4

http://browse.deviantart.com/?order=9&q=bigfoot+mask&offset=24#/d54uclk



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Post  Woodwose on Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:11 am

There are over the counter silicone and latex masks which move and the minuscule movement being discussed could be caused by nothing more than moving your head. Many of these masks can also be strategically glued to points on the face that allow for minor movements (as seen in the video).

There is however no 'grimace' in the video - or any other of elastic movement as you would expect to see on the face of a living animal. Such an expression would involve many facial muscles and we just don't see that as the long simian upper lip is conspicuously static.

A custom makeup effect would look a lot better than the results in the video and be much harder to distinguish from a living creature.

And what about the eye-shine issue?

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Post  CMcMillan on Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:20 am

Oh I agree,
I have doubts about the Video as well.
The lack of Eye shine is a big one for me, and i don't see the grimace either.
I can accept that the creature may have been caught off guard.
I need to re-look at the video it just seems all to washed out to me. Almost has a night vision look to it.
Or it almost looks CGI the creature at least.



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Post  Woodwose on Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:37 am

I'm 99.99% certain that it isn't a CG creature. I don't see any indicators and it's simply easier to create footage like this with a suit and mask.
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Post  CMcMillan on Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:43 am

one thing that bugs me if it was a mask it would think it was an over the counter one.
Which would be somewhere on the internet to purchase.
I just can not find anything that looks like that for commercial sale.
Most people these days if they made something like that would put it up even on deviant art.
Or a spfx forum to show off their skill.
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Post  Woodwose on Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:41 am

I did try looking for a similar suit/mask a while back, but didn't find anything using the usual Google Images/Shopping, EBay and Amazon approach. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it may just be hard to track down.

I imagine that someone who is part of the costume industry, or someone familiar with the FX hobbyist community may be better placed to shed some light on this.

My bet would be that someone made the mask themselves and the chances of finding evidence online is going to be very slim indeed. I still think there is a likelihood that this is an over the counter mask and the suppliers either don't list their goods online or they market the mask/suit using an obscure product name - if it were called something like 'ice monster' it's not going to show up when searching for Bigfoot or yeti etc. It could even be an import from China that isn't listed in English.
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Post  CMcMillan on Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:59 am



this is as close as i could find.
Most ape and monster masks have their mouths open showing teeth
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Post  Woodwose on Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:32 am

Yes, that's one of the first suits I came across, but I imagine you agree that this couldn't have been used.

Many masks do have open mouths, but crucially not all. There is also the problem of the hooded nose, as - unlike the above costume - many gorilla or yeti masks don't feature a hooded nose. But that doesn't rule out the home-made or modified mask option.



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