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Post  GT3Paul on Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:00 pm

There is a lot of cool stuff coming up. Stuff I dont know if I can as a scientist believe or not, but too many people are talking about it
for it to be totally baseless.
Things like cloaking, disappearing, traps and issues of startling or supernatural capabilities possessed by BigFoot.
If you wish to post theories or alternative ideas please feel free, but I do not want any insulting posts comments or name calling.
If you dont believe in what is written in these articles there is a button at the bottom to stop watching topic.
Anything worthwhile scientifically or otherwise is welcome as long as its contributions to the topic.

As a forward, I believe that if BigFoot exists and in my mind the amount of evidence is too much to ignore, then what they do is
either completely natural or nothing more than anything else any other animal in the world can do, such as stun prey, change colors
as a chameleon or experts at camo, etc etc.
But I have some articles that come from my friends at Treepeekers.com that are entertaining if nothing else.
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Freeman Young Researcher extraordinaire

Post  GT3Paul on Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:10 pm

Here is Freemans Blog. Freeman Young is a cool researcher up in Northern California. He has written several books on different
topics and I am his technical advisor. In other words I work on his cameras and electronic gear even though we have never met in person.
His outlook on Bigfoot is more open than mine and he is fun to read. So read these stories he has posted on his blog.

On Bigfoot disappearing, the only thing I can think of is some sort of ability to bend light. I know the military is working on this
but the only analogy I can think of is purposely making mirages like using heat on the road that you see driving down a long highway
in the desert. I think that would require alot of energy so that may be beyond capability of the Big Guy.

Read the one on the portal. That was interesting. I wondered if the guy ate too many shrooms. Which are out there in BF country.

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http://treepeekers.wordpress.com/
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Excellent Topic

Post  ***** on Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:48 pm

I believe that they have design qualities, and have evolved to have substantially different skill sets, some of which could be completely beyond out comprehension. Their brains have evolved in a more right brained capacity, and they are very advanced in functions that are emotive based, intuition, precognition, spiritually based.

Pure conjecture, but based on my own encounters:

they are symbiotic with other animals, especially coyotes

they are capable of telepathy, masters of it, communication with other animals occurs adapted to the intelligence level of each creature. Either pictorial, or in our case verbal.

They are respectful, if shown respect, and would harm us only as an absolute last resort. I believe this is cultural, and a basic tenet of existence for them---possibly ordained by our shared creator, or an adaptation for survival.

I constantly dream about them, which is pretty cool. The dreams are always extremely spiritual, and reverent.

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Post  CMcMillan on Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:14 pm

I am not sure about all this.

1.) Coyote's
I can see how they may be close to Coyote's much like us humans have canines would they as well?
2.) they are capable of telepathy:
I would not directly say Telepathy I can see maybe having stronger sixth sense. Do they speak through Telepathy then wouldn't the one who Justin Shoot have spoken to him first?
3.)They are respectful,
I would think they have the same issues we as humans have some are respectful. I think they are more respectuful of nature and not so much of humans.
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Post  GT3Paul on Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:10 pm

Until I see it in person I think its stealth capabilities are just LIKE a coyote. I have watched a million times a coyote right in front of me while cycling
just walk off the road into the brush and disappear. Its the color of its coat, just blends in and its gone.
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Post  Papa Bear on Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:40 am

no folks….meaning the bigfoot and coyote work together to hunt prey. the calls the bigfoot make sometimes mimic the coyote’s howl and can be heard calling together almost as if speaking to each other. this has brought forth a very plausible theory they work together to hunt prey. i believe based on eyewitness reports, they are most certainly spiritual beings. the question of course is to what degree. There is only other person i speak about bigfoots in this manner and topic we discussed rather recently was the ability of the Bigfoot to be an inter-dimensional being, especially when tracks are followed for miles then just stop. no other track around, they just stop out of nowhere.
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Post  GT3Paul on Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:58 am

This is the direction I was hoping some of the threads would go. Where you can use your intelligent imagination based on either reading reliable reports or as Noble just posted his own experiences.
Noble I would like to hear some more of what you are seeing and any opinions on what causes what you see, and maybe your thoughts on what makes a bigfoot spiritual, and how deep you think that spiritualness goes.

With open discourse such as this, regardless of what you think BF is or isnt, this allows people to share ideas and experiences without being ridiculed.
I dont know how much of this is real or imagined but the point is, its not my right to say what people have experienced.
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Post  SasquaiNation on Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:47 pm

I think Bigfoot is a biological mammal with no "supernatural" abilities. I think their stealth and elusiveness are due to adapting to the environment. I personally think they may have a cloaking ability of sorts, but it would be because of the nature of their hair. I think the hair gives an illusion of cloaking when it could be due to light reflection or refraction. Couple that with the dark coloured hair described by witnesses and it seems to be a natural camouflage. They can remain perfectly still, blending in with trees and rocks.

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Post  StankApe on Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:15 pm

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Post  scarletme111 on Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:24 pm

i agree i dont think there is anything supernatural going on at all.
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Post  GT3Paul on Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:26 pm

I agree with Randy. In fact Billy Davis who I think is billy240z on you tube posts a video, one of the greats, and its of and old grey Bigfoot. You can see him very well.
But its obvious that he doesnt have his old capabilities and you can see him Swaying back and forth. Poor guy.
its right here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK4bf4mgDQo&feature=plcp
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Post  StankApe on Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:25 am

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Paranormal they are not..

Post  ***** on Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:26 am

As this thread was started as a conjecture depot, or theoretical thread, I should clarify that I don't believe Sasquatch are paranormal. What could be paranormal to us, could simply be a more highly developed right brain in the Sasquatch. That would correlate with a hominid reliant on physical capability, and fully equipped to exist and dominate the wilderness environment, with no need for tools, shelter, or creation of resource(i.e. farming, group cooperation, civilization).

Telepathy has been documented scientifically in some humans, twins especially, and it's not paranormal to theorize that Sasquatches could have a more highly developed right brain.

I've personally experienced what I believe to be some very odd coyote/sasquatch interaction after killing a deer on my land in E.Texas. I've talked to many cattlemen, and property owners in this same general area, that have described unusual coyote behavior, after hearing vocalizations from something very large on their property.

Anyway, I was thinking this thread was for open discussion regarding theoretical premises regarding Sasquatch. I can see things getting contentious already, so I'm sure this thread is going nowhere now.

Good idea Paul......

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Post  StankApe on Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:36 pm

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Post  Kel on Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:50 pm

Kel wrote:
StankApe wrote:contentious? so you are saying that an opposition idea to something unverified like telepathy or a video that allegedly shows an animal is "being contentious?. That's not how it works bub. If I post that a video looks suspect, you have every right to post why you suspect it's real. In that case would you be being "contentious"???

Like I said before, if a claim cannot hold up to scrutiny, it has no value.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I THINK this thread was set up specifically for "believers" (or should I type Believers) to discuss some of the different beliefs (if you will) among THEMSELVES. Sort of like Christian factions ~ there's a mighty wide gulf between, say, Mormons and Catholics, yet they agree on the same starting point of belief in Jesus. I personally saw that line drawn in the sand for discussion HERE IN THIS THREAD ONLY. There are other threads to debate from a skeptical standpoint. I'm a skeptic myself, but am tired of seeing every thread here devolve into an "existence" debate. I want to read other viewpoints and not be bogged down by that endless crap.

Back away and accept that sometimes your opinions just aren't welcome because they muddy up the discussion.
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Post  StankApe on Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:39 pm

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Post  Kel on Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:53 pm

StankApe wrote:I wasn't making an existence statement at all. But I think it goes against the principle of public forums to say that "this thread is here for no dissenting opinions" but this one over here is.... see what I mean?

It would be one thing if someone had said "Bigfoot doesn't exist so these claims are stupid" but I don't think I stirred the pot or anything. I just said that if it exists, I don't see it as very likely at has any fancy superpowers. But just a natural ability to blend in with the surroundings. (then I listed the zebra example)

If that isn't rational,even tempered discourse, what is? (the fact that others chose to make claims of contention have no bearing on the fact that my statement was not intended ,nor worded to incite a nasty argument)


I'm just saying show some respect to the OP's topic of ANY thread, and in this case I think it was made clear in the first post that he wanted discussion from the viewpoint of Believers... which is OK if you are not... but see ya at another thread. I have no problem with that as there are plenty of other threads to choose. If you want to start a Free Speech on Forums thread, I'll discuss it there. Sorry for this hijack, Paul! Embarassed
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Post  GT3Paul on Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:43 am

Its OK we still are going in the right direction. I have talked to Freeman alot, and he has a lot of cool ideas. He believes ( I dont) that Bigfoot can source light from its eyes. I think the eyeshine is just eye shine from reflected light. I dont know if the red or green thing has anything to do with stuff. Some one said a Red eye is a predator and a green eye is prey. But I have 3 massive trained killer attack dogs and two of them are green reflect and one of them is Red reflect.
Freeman postulates that BF can communicate through frequency. Through intensity and just by on and off. I havent see any evidence of this yet in video or
pics so I dont know whats true on that but really interesting ideas since we do it mechanically, with all kinds of lights.
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Here we go again

Post  ***** on Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:28 am


I don't want this deteriorating into another existence debate, and diverting this thread, as much as you'd probably like that.

Kel, much respect goes out to you, as a voice of reason in an honest attempt to get

This thread was obviously begun to elicit commentary on fringe Sas topics, and there are plenty of other areas for Stank commentary, but keep posting , because all you do is continue to prove the points I made in our last dust-up.



I could not possibly care less, and you are blocked anyway again, so post all you like, I won't be reading.



Paul, thanks for the thread, I also think Squatches have language and are far more culturally developed that we would guess. Culturally they've developed in a far different way. I think they have tradition, and I think they communicate and live by certain guidelines, and respect a morality that we don't fully understand. This sounds vague as I type it, so PM me if you want more specifics.

I also just had an amazing encounter 2 weeks ago in the Weminuche Wilderness, where my tent was actually pushed in with a very large hand, and my camp was encircled for over 30 mins, with bipedal approaches(attempting to be as quite as possible). When I would turn on my head lamp, and start cussing, they would stop. As soon as my light was out again, they would approach within inches of my tent, only to retreat again at my consternation! LOL

They are very intelligent, and after communicating my respect for this person/squatch , it back away slowly and left me in peace. It's a good thing too, because I exited my tent with headlamp blazing, and 9mm in one hand, bear spray in the other. Like either would have done me any good! LOL


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Post  StankApe on Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:40 am

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Post  CMcMillan on Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:17 am

GT3Paul wrote:Its OK we still are going in the right direction. I have talked to Freeman alot, and he has a lot of cool ideas. He believes ( I dont) that Bigfoot can source light from its eyes. I think the eyeshine is just eye shine from reflected light. I dont know if the red or green thing has anything to do with stuff. Some one said a Red eye is a predator and a green eye is prey. But I have 3 massive trained killer attack dogs and two of them are green reflect and one of them is Red reflect.
Freeman postulates that BF can communicate through frequency. Through intensity and just by on and off. I havent see any evidence of this yet in video or
pics so I dont know whats true on that but really interesting ideas since we do it mechanically, with all kinds of lights.

Eyeshine occurs in a wide variety of colors including white, blue, green, yellow, pink and red. However, since eyeshine leads to iridescence, the color varies slightly with the angle at which it is seen and the color of the source light.
White eyeshine occurs in many fish, especially walleye; blue eyeshine occurs in many mammals such as horses; green eyeshine occurs in mammals such as cats, dogs, and raccoons; and red eyeshine occurs in rodents, opossums and birds

Cats and dogs with blue eyes (see eye color) may display both eyeshine and red-eye effect. Both species have a tapetum lucidum, so their pupils may display eyeshine. In flash color photographs, however, individuals with blue eyes may also display a distinctive red eyeshine. Individuals with heterochromia may display red eyeshine in the blue eye and "normal" yellow / green / blue / white eyeshine in the other eye. These include odd-eyed cats and bi-eyed dogs. The red-eye effect is independent of the eyeshine: in some photographs of individuals with a tapetum lucidum and heterochromia, the eyeshine is dim yet the pupil of the blue eye still appears red. This is most apparent when the individual is not looking into the camera, because the tapetum lucidum is far less extensive than the retina.
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Post  Mr.Lee on Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:24 am

I wonder if they use some type of echolocation like bats & dolphins. I always found it to be amazing that we can only replicate that ability with technology. If they had this at there disposal we would never be able to sneak up on them. Maybe we should be searching for frequencies beyond human hearing.

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Post  StankApe on Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:17 am

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Post  Mr.Lee on Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:17 am

That is absolutely amazing. People like that are an inspiration.

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Post  Kel on Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:46 am

Awesome video, Stank! Thanks!
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