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Are the Sierra Sounds Legit?

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Fallacious, and selective. You can't just pick and choose Stank.

Post  ***** on Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:15 pm

What are you proposing was responsible for the sounds on the tape? What is your counter to the expert testimony, those who are much more knowledgeable than yourself at analyzing wildlife recordings, and language? What do Ron Moorehead's personal beliefs regarding the origin of bigfoot, have to do with the recording itself, which was verified and authenticated, as not hoaxed, or manipulated by sound analysis experts?

You are attempting to make another fallacious argument here, by attacking the credibility of the messenger, despite the recording being authenticated by sound experts. Did you read SasquaiNation's post above? What are your thoughts regarding that testimony?

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Re: Are the Sierra Sounds Legit?

Post  StankApe on Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:55 pm

I stated clearly that "regardless of what you think of the recordings..." hence my statement had nothing to do with the validity of the recordings. (I addressed that earlier when Krantz was reported to have been told that the sounds could be reproduced by cupping hands around your mouth)

I was merely putting a rather ridiculous statement out there made by the guy who made the recordings.He's the one who made it, not I. If anyone is shooting the messenger, it isn't me. and once again, the claim that it's Bigfoot were made by others, and those claims have yet to be verified.
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Post  ***** on Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:14 pm

Marginalizing Ron Moorhead does not diminish the value of the recordings in my opinion. I take ownership of that opinion, and did not cut and paste someone else's. I'm unafraid of owning up to my opinion. It's mine, and I claim it.

Remember the entirety of your post is what I'm referring to, not the disclaimer only.

What is your personal opinion of the Sierra Recording, and how the sounds were created? Or did you have one?

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Re: Are the Sierra Sounds Legit?

Post  StankApe on Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:33 pm

My opinion on anything is that it is up for debate until definite PROOF show that it is real. If an expert told Krantz it can be reproduced by cupping you hands over your mouth. I would tend to think that said expert was correct. (especially considering, according to his statement anyway, it was the same expert who did the analysis stating it couldn't be made by normal human voices).


I would like to see the waves analyzed by a modern guy unaffiliated with ANY opinion. An expert on vocal analysis with an acoustical engineer running the equipment. Not told anything about the alleged source so that they would have no preconceived notions of it's content.
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Re: Are the Sierra Sounds Legit?

Post  SasquaiNation on Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:01 pm

StankApe wrote:My opinion on anything is that it is up for debate until definite PROOF show that it is real. If an expert told Krantz it can be reproduced by cupping you hands over your mouth. I would tend to think that said expert was correct. (especially considering, according to his statement anyway, it was the same expert who did the analysis stating it couldn't be made by normal human voices).


I would like to see the waves analyzed by a modern guy unaffiliated with ANY opinion. An expert on vocal analysis with an acoustical engineer running the equipment. Not told anything about the alleged source so that they would have no preconceived notions of it's content.

That would be a rational and healthy approach to this topic. I personally don't know any specialists in the field of sound recordings, biology,primatology and linguistics. Obviously it would take a team of experts in order to come to a conclusion.

What was Krantz's specialty or area of expertise?

On a personal note, I think the sounds are legitimate, but I'm no expert.

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Re: Are the Sierra Sounds Legit?

Post  CMcMillan on Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:05 pm

Stank,

Are you currently going out in the deep woods and listing at night to all the animals making sounds.
You stay out in the woods long enough and go out in them regularly you can identify the sounds.
A fox makes an unusual sound.
A Fisher Cat makes even a weirder sound. I have heard these i can identify them.
When i first heard them I wasn't sure what they were.
People who spend time in the woods looking for Bigfoot don't jump at everysound and GO thats BIGFOOT
People make educated deductions being out in the woods and knowing the animals in the areas they are.

I would like to remind people of this Quote:
"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?

yes its is from a series of Fiction books but it holds true for many Investigators.
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Re: Are the Sierra Sounds Legit?

Post  ***** on Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:16 pm

StankApe wrote:My opinion on anything is that it is up for debate until definite PROOF show that it is real. If an expert told Krantz it can be reproduced by cupping you hands over your mouth. I would tend to think that said expert was correct. (especially considering, according to his statement anyway, it was the same expert who did the analysis stating it couldn't be made by normal human voices).


I would like to see the waves analyzed by a modern guy unaffiliated with ANY opinion. An expert on vocal analysis with an acoustical engineer running the equipment. Not told anything about the alleged source so that they would have no preconceived notions of it's content.


That would be great Stank, I agree. There is zero wrong with that idea. I'm curious, if that were to occur, and the findings corroborated/supported prior expert analysis would it change your opinion? What was your opinion anyway? How do you think those sounds were created? I'm just curious as to you own thoughts on the recording.

The acoustical engineer's responsibility would be what exactly?

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Post  StankApe on Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:38 pm

The engineer would run the sound equipment. ya know to make sure that the sound waves were accurately being reproduced on the screen. As someone who has done some digital sound recording myself, you can mess your wave forms up pretty easily if you don't know what you are doing.

as far as the results go, I won't make any statement as I have no idea how I would react until I read the report.
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Re: Are the Sierra Sounds Legit?

Post  ***** on Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:04 pm

StankApe wrote:The engineer would run the sound equipment. ya know to make sure that the sound waves were accurately being reproduced on the screen. As someone who has done some digital sound recording myself, you can mess your wave forms up pretty easily if you don't know what you are doing.

as far as the results go, I won't make any statement as I have no idea how I would react until I read the report.


Are you of the opinion, these sounds could be created without any equipment hauled up the Sierra's to this location? Do you believe the responsible party repeatedly hiked to this very remote location over several years, as this was an ongoing experience for an extended time period?

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Re: Are the Sierra Sounds Legit?

Post  StankApe on Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:10 pm

If it was hoaxed I suspect it was done by the guys who did the recording and not by outside people unknown to them.


My biggest problem with this recording is the same problem the PGF has. it's uniqueness. One would think that somebody else would have similar evidence by now to backup these examples. That's how you get confirmation of a hypothesis, repeatable results. It's kinda hard to believe that nobody else has any recordings that have demonstrated these same sounds.
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Re: Are the Sierra Sounds Legit?

Post  CMcMillan on Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:12 pm

StankApe wrote:If it was hoaxed I suspect it was done by the guys who did the recording and not by outside people unknown to them.


My biggest problem with this recording is the same problem the PGF has. it's uniqueness. One would think that somebody else would have similar evidence by now to backup these examples. That's how you get confirmation of a hypothesis, repeatable results. It's kinda hard to believe that nobody else has any recordings that have demonstrated these same sounds.

Their is similar sounds that others have recorded....
The MK Davis one that was posted.
And others have similar sound recordings.
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Re: Are the Sierra Sounds Legit?

Post  Green911 on Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:27 pm

I think the sounds are legitimate, I live near the sierras and have gone camping in several locations near desolation wilderness and have heard some really strange things. The first time I heard the recording I had nightmares for a week it scared me so bad. I believe there is something out there, it's just now trying to get some definitive proof. I think these recordings are a good start.
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I still don't think it could be replicated by a human..

Post  ***** on Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:39 pm

I still believe what's on that tape, is impossible for a human being to replicate. If so, I sure you would like to hear it. That is not a human on the recording. It's primal, and let the skeptics pile on, but I can FEEL that it's not a human.

Ron Moorehead and Al Berry recorded these over several years, and claimed they saw the responsible party members on several occasions. You can read about the experiences online. The more I've researched their claims, and listened to what's on the full version, the more difficult it is to attribute those sounds to anything other than our big ol' hairy giant of the wilderness!

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Re: Are the Sierra Sounds Legit?

Post  Arizonabigfoot on Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:10 pm

They are not unique. Have you heard the sounds recorded during "Operation Endurance" recorded by the TBRC? Some sound eerily similar.
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