Those that claim true habituation experiences: We need you!
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Those that claim true habituation experiences: We need you!
[u][b]Those of us out there who have in their lives an experience that could be called an habituation....we really need you! Please share your experiences, whatever they may be. Also please share your opinion on simple documetation efforts. Have you tried photographic or audio documentation?? If not, why??? If so, what have been your results? Thank you....
Farstar- Posts : 17
Join date : 2012-08-15
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the people that claim habituation and provide ZERO evidence for the claims should be ignored by the bigfoot community, they do NOTHING to help its cause.
BurdenOfProof- Posts : 263
Join date : 2012-08-01
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Like I said in that other post.. Most of these Habituation-Reports also revolve around paranormal crap.. Real or not, that alone is going to ward off most serious Bigfoot researchers... There are people who study ghosts, and their are people who look for Bigfoot.. Who does both? lol.
From my understanding, in my grandmothers case, the evidence was pristine. 1/2 eaten corn cobs with the teeth marks embedded into the cob, and silty Mississippi River bank tilled soil leaving perfect footprints... And the police even looked at it. But it was the 70's and not the first time my grandmother called the police to report "Out-There" incidents.
And this is why I have a hard time with these habituation's. A Sasquatch Stalker, I could understand.. But Families of them that correspond with a human family? Then where is the video footage of this?
Even in the case of a "Stalker" with all the vid tech today, you would think you could get the bastage on tape.
From my understanding, in my grandmothers case, the evidence was pristine. 1/2 eaten corn cobs with the teeth marks embedded into the cob, and silty Mississippi River bank tilled soil leaving perfect footprints... And the police even looked at it. But it was the 70's and not the first time my grandmother called the police to report "Out-There" incidents.
And this is why I have a hard time with these habituation's. A Sasquatch Stalker, I could understand.. But Families of them that correspond with a human family? Then where is the video footage of this?
Even in the case of a "Stalker" with all the vid tech today, you would think you could get the bastage on tape.
Tzieth- Posts : 478
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Sorry T-Man but habbers know stuff the ''chasers'' won't figure out for the next 20 yrs....LOL. Maybe it's better that way. As far as habituater's ''needed'' well also, may be, but what's the upside? I assume those people have worked hard for what they know, just to hand it over seem's asking a lot with nothing for them in return.
Most people could find BF if they pulled their heads out, 'nuff said.
Most people could find BF if they pulled their heads out, 'nuff said.
Starz- Posts : 53
Join date : 2012-08-01
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All of these so called Habituation-Reports and the people making them are no more believable or credible than anyone else relating a supposed incident or story. Without proof, it is just another story to add to the list. If these people feel they need to protect the species, then they would keep quiet and never make public claims.
There are groups and individuals who claim hotspots and frequent interactions with this species and yet, not one of them provides any actually proof. If they choose to be quiet about it, good for them, enjoy what you have. But if you choose to make a claim, then put up or shut up.
(Most people could find BF if they pulled their heads out, 'nuff said)
Please elaborate on this, if it is so easy, maybe you can provide a few tips / guidelines that would be helpful for “Most” of us;
I spend a lot of time in the forest (enjoying it, not killing it) and have since the early 70’s so anything you can provide would be greatly appreciated,
There are groups and individuals who claim hotspots and frequent interactions with this species and yet, not one of them provides any actually proof. If they choose to be quiet about it, good for them, enjoy what you have. But if you choose to make a claim, then put up or shut up.
(Most people could find BF if they pulled their heads out, 'nuff said)
Please elaborate on this, if it is so easy, maybe you can provide a few tips / guidelines that would be helpful for “Most” of us;
I spend a lot of time in the forest (enjoying it, not killing it) and have since the early 70’s so anything you can provide would be greatly appreciated,
YSPR- Posts : 88
Join date : 2012-08-13
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the book impossible visits is pretty good habituation book with no paranormal stuff what so ever
GT3Paul- Admin
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Okay lets say that there is a real life Habituation case somewhere in the world. And that person is not going to hand over their evidence to searchers... Then what exactly are they doing?... If you are in regular contact with these beings, then you have prime opportunity to study them via a video journal. You also have all the necessary tools to actually push for protection.
However as I was writing this something occurred to me... E.T. and Harry and the Hendersons. Maybe movies are to blame? Maybe the movies are dead on? You have something that you are corresponding with that should not be and th next thing you know, some researcher or government agency is trying to kill it and study it. Never-mind, that actually makes sense lol
However as I was writing this something occurred to me... E.T. and Harry and the Hendersons. Maybe movies are to blame? Maybe the movies are dead on? You have something that you are corresponding with that should not be and th next thing you know, some researcher or government agency is trying to kill it and study it. Never-mind, that actually makes sense lol
Tzieth- Posts : 478
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Tzieth wrote:Okay lets say that there is a real life Habituation case somewhere in the world. And that person is not going to hand over their evidence to searchers... Then what exactly are they doing?... If you are in regular contact with these beings, then you have prime opportunity to study them via a video journal. You also have all the necessary tools to actually push for protection.
However as I was writing this something occurred to me... E.T. and Harry and the Hendersons. Maybe movies are to blame? Maybe the movies are dead on? You have something that you are corresponding with that should not be and th next thing you know, some researcher or government agency is trying to kill it and study it. Never-mind, that actually makes sense lol
Excellent point! I would not want the government coming onto my property to try to "study" it then trying to possibly kill it. Then having them tell me to keep quiet "or else".
Trying to find a group to actually study it without harming would be hard to find. Or finding someone that was not out for the money, or fame.
Green911- Posts : 140
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Location : Sacramento, CA
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I think if I designed some type of camera that is part of a hat coat or jacket, we could get some data.
Heck even the stupid game cams are about as disguised as my old 1968 Batman Lunch box.
But something has to be done.
Heck even the stupid game cams are about as disguised as my old 1968 Batman Lunch box.
But something has to be done.
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GT3Paul wrote:I think if I designed some type of camera that is part of a hat coat or jacket, we could get some data.
Heck even the stupid game cams are about as disguised as my old 1968 Batman Lunch box.
But something has to be done.
OK Paul I don't believe you a 1968 Batman Lunch Box does it have the thermos?
I don't get why people are using game cams.
Well I think it would make sense to put a couple game cams up like your trying to hide them. but in a way that you actually have hidden camera higher in the trees looking down and then some looking upwards around an area kinda making a Bermuda triangle of a camera trap.
If we put the cam's up higher above the bigfoots "head" line we may be able to catch him hiding from the Game cam.
We need to think smarter.
Stop trying to hide this stuff from what we feel is just an APE.
CMcMillan- Posts : 1097
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CMcMillan wrote:I don't get why people are using game cams.
Well I think it would make sense to put a couple game cams up like your trying to hide them. but in a way that you actually have hidden camera higher in the trees looking down and then some looking upwards around an area kinda making a Bermuda triangle of a camera trap.
If we put the cam's up higher above the bigfoots "head" line we may be able to catch him hiding from the Game cam.
We need to think smarter.
Stop trying to hide this stuff from what we feel is just an APE.
One of the Yowie hunters in Australia uses pinhole spy cameras, that technology is getting better and smaller every year. It's not as robust as a game cam but you could bore a hole in a tree and hide it in there.
Squatchmaster G- Posts : 202
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Lets pretend for the moment that the pic Melissa Hovey had was the real deal.. (It was technically never dis-proven.) The back story to how that pic was taken sounds like the thing that would best work, if they do in fact see I.R. light. No night vision, no I.R., no I.R. beam... just a pressure plate or sound trigger and an old fashioned flash bulb.
I was reading back reports and now i am almost fully convenced that they do see the I.R. It's not just avoiding the camera traps, in many cases they are destroying them. If they are that sensitive to light, then maybe the flash bulb will blind them and send them running away from the camera instead of crushing it.
I was reading back reports and now i am almost fully convenced that they do see the I.R. It's not just avoiding the camera traps, in many cases they are destroying them. If they are that sensitive to light, then maybe the flash bulb will blind them and send them running away from the camera instead of crushing it.
Tzieth- Posts : 478
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Cmac,I am hurt, I still have my lunch box. Its old and rusted like me but the thermos lasted in my lunch boxes about a block from my house when I walked to school
GT3Paul- Admin
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Misery loves company! It turns out tigers and elephants hate game cams too. Check out the elephant giving one the boot
http://news.yahoo.com/tiger-tracker-tales-conservation-biologist-164813422.html
http://news.yahoo.com/tiger-tracker-tales-conservation-biologist-164813422.html
Kel- Posts : 164
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paul830- Posts : 97
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Squatchmaster G wrote:Polar bears hate remote cams as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CoApUAZFf8
That's funny! I was rooting for the bear!
Kel- Posts : 164
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Hear that sound? That's 100 habituators who aren't about to tell us anything!
paul830- Posts : 97
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paul830 wrote:Hear that sound? That's 100 habituators who aren't about to tell us anything!
Well they'll tell us all about it and show photos of half eaten blueberry bagels and weird piles of sticks left next to walking trails and even publish books about their alleged experiences but they won't put out any trail cams or anything.
Squatchmaster G- Posts : 202
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I actually haven't got much patience for those types of reports. It does come off as highly suspect and unreliable. I think at least 70% of this stuff is pure B.S. Unintentional or otherwise.
I have wondered if it really were happening to some, whether those people wouldn't have more interest in just keeping it to themselves. In that case there's not much sense in pursuing it. It's all a little too sketchy for me.
The problem I have with it is when you have people with too much interest in the subject. They aren't quite like the average person having an unexpected and sometimes unwelcome experience. When they're actively out to prove something to others, I need a little bit more than half eaten bagels.
However, according to Bobo, there are reports of some farmers claiming bigfoots will come onto their property and eat their crops, and never touch the brussels sprouts. Maybe I should add that onto my list of squatchy behaviours. Don't like brussels sprouts.
I won't add the blueberry bagels. A half eaten blueberry bagel reminds me too much of those half eaten cookies I left on the table by the tree for the kids on Christmas morning.
I have wondered if it really were happening to some, whether those people wouldn't have more interest in just keeping it to themselves. In that case there's not much sense in pursuing it. It's all a little too sketchy for me.
The problem I have with it is when you have people with too much interest in the subject. They aren't quite like the average person having an unexpected and sometimes unwelcome experience. When they're actively out to prove something to others, I need a little bit more than half eaten bagels.
However, according to Bobo, there are reports of some farmers claiming bigfoots will come onto their property and eat their crops, and never touch the brussels sprouts. Maybe I should add that onto my list of squatchy behaviours. Don't like brussels sprouts.
I won't add the blueberry bagels. A half eaten blueberry bagel reminds me too much of those half eaten cookies I left on the table by the tree for the kids on Christmas morning.
paul830- Posts : 97
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paul830 wrote:I won't add the blueberry bagels. A half eaten blueberry bagel reminds me too much of those half eaten cookies I left on the table by the tree for the kids on Christmas morning.
Yeah, Footers tend to get annoyed when people compare Sasquatch to Santa.
Squatchmaster G- Posts : 202
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Yes I've noticed. That, and the Easter bunny. It wasn't intentional. I don't particularly enjoy those antics. The correlation was too strong and it fit. I'm not here to insult people. I hold the possibility of bigfoot up for scrutiny and don't deny it.
I however AM myself Santa Claus and I am coming forward now. So if anybody finds that upsetting, I apologize that I accidentally let that information slip out in my post.
Also, we can all be Santa.
I however AM myself Santa Claus and I am coming forward now. So if anybody finds that upsetting, I apologize that I accidentally let that information slip out in my post.
Also, we can all be Santa.
paul830- Posts : 97
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paul830 wrote:I however AM myself Santa Claus and I am coming forward now.
Well you can claim that but I guess we won't know for sure until we carve a steak out of your side and send it to Melba Ketchum for DNA analysis.
Squatchmaster G- Posts : 202
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There's bad Dad's around you can shoot for steak evidence. I don't know if they're very Santa Clausy though. Probably not much like Santa at all actually. Hence the bad part. Not to mention never giving presents.
paul830- Posts : 97
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Well, you can definitely add corn to the list. In my grandmothers case, that was the prime target. The corn and strawberries. When those were gone, it went after the root veggies. (Turnips, carrots, radishes. She said that the only thing that was untouched were her tomatoes which in knowing what I know now, it makes sense. We had tomatoes in our gardens since colonial times.. but as ornamental fruit. They were once believed to be poisonous lol. Maybe Sasquatch view them the same way?
Tzieth- Posts : 478
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